Take a nut leave a nut !!!

[Banjo picker]

 
 Hey SwampDonkey : would the shagbark hiuckory grow up here     

My book says,(for whats thats worth) range would be extreme southern Quebec You are probably in the same boat as me with your buckeyes, so lets try....Let me know how many you want....Just a few horsechesnuts for me...will send a PM...Tim

[SwampDonkey]

Marcel, only if you obtain the seed from neighboring states like Northern NY, Northern PA and northern Michigan and southeastern Ontario. Seed from the southern states and southern half of those bordering the lakes would not do to well. Goes for most hickories.

[Dodgy Loner]

Obviously, you finally found some butternut trees.  They elude you no more. That's unless you tell me someone else found them. 

Nope, I was at a campground with my family this weekend, and I walked past a walnut with some funny-looking bark.  Something didn't look quite right about it, so I looked on the ground, and sure enough, it was littered with butternuts.  I was pretty excited about it

Wouldn't mind trying some butternut down here in the foothills in Forsyth County.

LL, I'll bring you some nuts when I see you this week!

[Dodgy Loner]

All my butternuts here are dead or dying .    I have some smaller ones , but it seams that as soon as they mature ... dead dey go ....

We don't have the butternut canker down here yet.  They are rare enough that I'm hopeful the disease will never get established.

[SwampDonkey]

Some butternut trees have been found to be resistant as well. They have never had canker on any around these parts, but I think further down river they have had some disease. Also a dead butternut is not necessarily from canker. They are not long lived to begin with.

[Dodgy Loner]

Well, I hope mine live long enough to make sawlogs

[SwampDonkey]

The biggest curse with butternut is limb breakage. They grow long laterals in more open conditions. Heavy wind alone can weaken the limbs over time and all the sudden you have 1/4 of the trunk missing. 

[Lanier_Lurker]

That sounds great.  I look forward to getting some butternut.

I won't have to worry about them being open grown here at my place.  They will have to fight their way up into a canopy of 100ft yellow poplars, white oaks, and northern red oaks.  I hope it is not too shaded for them.

[WDH]

If I remember right, butternut is shade intolerant.  So, the tree will need a little hole in the canopy to shoot for.

[Banjo picker]

Marcel, only if you obtain the seed from neighboring states like Northern NY, Northern PA and northern Michigan and southeastern Ontario. Seed from the southern states and southern half of those bordering the lakes would not do to well. Goes for most hickories.

 

Swampdonkey, what about the flip side, will Marcel's horsechesnuts be able to survive in ne Miss.?  Tim

[SwampDonkey]

Your butternut will have a struggle if the canopy is closed in tight. It is more tolerant than aspen though. I've seen them growing here on the ridge with sugar maple, ash, yellow birch, basswood. They grow real nice logs mixed in hardwood, out in the pasture you get wide spreading limbs. In my thinnings I find them growing in with maple and ash. They do real well in aspen stands to, but a bit limbyer. That big terminal bud can pack a lot of growth for next year.

[SwampDonkey]

Banjo picker:

Hard to say, I would be hopeful. It's alot easier to move to warm areas than it is to move to frigid cold. But winter temperatures is not the only factor. Scorching summer heat and drought may be a factor to as well as length of day. Doesn't hurt to try.

[Lanier_Lurker]

I have some spots out front where the canopy is not too tight.  I think I can find a place they will tolerate.

I will probably raise them in 30in deep TreePots for the first couple of years.

Hey Dodgy, you want any maple leaf viburnum seed?

[Dodgy Loner]

Sure, why not?  I've always had better luck with nuts than with smaller seeds - they just have more energy to get themselves established, so they're not as finicky about growing conditions - but I've got a perfect spot for some mapleleaf viburnums!  We'll see how it goes

[Banjo picker]

Banjo picker:

. Scorching summer heat and drought may be a factor to as well as length of day. Doesn't hurt to try.

I can't do anything about the heat, but I plan on planting a few in areas where  water wont be such a problem,  I live  about 1/3 of a mile from the highest point in the state (Woodal Mt...806 feet) I plan on planting some on my highest point and some down in the creek bottom, and a few in between....hopefully some will make it....Tim

[isawlogs]

 Tim . I will have those out today .... I am packing them as I write.

  So if they dont take for some reason , we can try again next fall .      I find rewarding to plant trees and watch them grow . Planted quite a bit of pine at my dads and we are seeing them all over the farm . I would like to establish a nut grove here . There are very little nut trees here other then the dying butterbut , it would will be a form of food plot for the deer and turkeys and me  , I know it will takes some time before the restaurant opens for um . I do hav some beech but they had no nuts this year ...  Those are good eating if ya can get at them before the bears , deer and turkeys ..

[Banjo picker]

marcel & dodgy, I put the nuts in the mail just now...you will find a few pieces of flint in there with them, as i knew the post office would ask what was in there..flint.... , and so there is....   Marcel  you got the last ones of the shags as the critters have moved in .  I already had dodgy's boxed up and went back this morining...had to look hard to get some then about half were floaters....Hope you get enough...let us know if those hickorys make it up there....Tim

[Dodgy Loner]

Tim, your nuts are in the mail as well.  Maybe I can make an arrowhead out of the flint you're sending, and in a few years I'll make a hickory bow from the hickory nuts you're sending

[WDH]

Maybe I can make an arrowhead out of the flint you're sending, and in a few years I'll make a hickory bow from the hickory nuts you're sending

Dodgy, it is nice to see a long term perspective .

[SwampDonkey]

I'm worried he might not fair too well.