Author Topic: E-Classic 2300 is now up and running in Central Mass (Read 34885 times)

whodoctor · « **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2008, 06:21:21 pm »

....yes. I do a lot of texting. I tend to think in abbreviations. Sorry.

bull · « **Reply #21 on:** August 12, 2008, 06:28:59 pm »

I don't have an OWF, I built my house in 1992 and installled a New York Wood Boiler and it has been preforming well... burns 4-5 cord for the year.. The house is a 1200 sq ft ranch... It was the best deal for the money at the time $1400.00

bull · « **Reply #22 on:** August 12, 2008, 06:32:17 pm »

hey thanks Beenthere, Kinda slow on the Acrinims/abreveations and spelling

Gary_C · « **Reply #23 on:** August 12, 2008, 07:55:59 pm »

Is it a good idea to use that large OWB to heat domestic hot water in the summer? Does anyone else do that?

I would think that even an electric hot water heater would be more efficient.

Also I would think those hot water pipes and that semi exposed water to water heat exchanger would just add unwanted heat to your house in the summer.

whodoctor · « **Reply #24 on:** August 12, 2008, 08:13:21 pm »

I want to ad a Plate Heat Exchanger to my existing furnace so that I can run the Wood Furnace and the house on separate closed loops. Can anyone tell me hot to size it???

I found this alternative heating supply company on ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/Alternative-Heating-and-Supplies

whodoctor · « **Reply #25 on:** August 12, 2008, 08:21:54 pm »

GaryC,

Is it a good idea?

I don't know. We have 5 people in the house, and we use a lot of hot water. The OWB is taking about 5 days to go through a load of wood, and the firebox is not very big. Seeing as I just installed this, I am having fun working with it. So,will I use it every Summer, maybe, maybe not. For now, its fine, cause I am learning the stove and enjoying it.

As far as a heat exchanger, I don't have one tied in yet. The CB E-C 2300 is simply tied into my existing boiler, and isn't really adding much heat to the utility room in the basement. Any suggestions on a plate heat exchanger? My CB dealer told me that a 30 plate heat exchanger is $400 and a 50 plate heat exchanger is $600. I found them WAY cheaper on ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/Alternative-Heating-and-Supplies

Don't know anything about them, but want to make sure i am not spending $200 more than I have to.

thecfarm · « **Reply #26 on:** August 13, 2008, 03:47:14 am »

This is what I have for a heat exchangers, 86,000 BTU,

I put shut offs on my heat exchangers,except for the one pictured. I was not thinking right some how on this one,DanG.

For now I enclosed it with some 2 inch styrofoam that I have.The one that runs the house I put one in.Some glad I did.That was the one that was put into the duct work for forced hot air.I heat my hot water and a hot tub with that loop.I see no reason not to use your OWF to heat your hot water.That's what they are designed for.Have to make it pay some how.I had no idea how that would work out for us heating the hot water,because of the smoke.Clothes line is only 60 feet away,the OWF is in our back yard.I was concerned about smoke.But I'm burning good hardwood in it and it's working out fine.Not much smoke,the wife is not complaining about it at all.I am trying to insulate my pipes inside with some pipe wrap.Kinda slow on it.Have others things going on and I keep putting it off.I had a speed control on the one pictured too.Lets me control how fast I want the fan to run.Or should I say how loud.The fan does make some noise,nothing real loud,but glad I had it installed.

Dana · « **Reply #27 on:** August 13, 2008, 05:37:21 am »

Gary_C I use my Central Boiler all year round also. The only thing that is being used during the summer is the hot water heater. And as mentioned it runs thru a flat plate heat exchanger.
The only excess heat in the house that I have noticed is in the stairwell going into the basement. I dont spend much time there so it isn't
a concern.
One thing I've thought about is that I'm basically putting twice as much use on the stove using it during the summer. I wonder if this will cause it to burn out quicker. At the same time things often last longer when kept in use.

whodoctor · « **Reply #28 on:** August 13, 2008, 07:15:10 am »

TheCFarm,

Thanks for sharing your experience with heat exchangers, and heating your hot water. Can you tell me the brand of hydronic blower that you have in that picture? I have an 800 square foot room that I want to service with a blower like that. I has a concrete floor, and stays cold during the winter. I don't want to go through the trouble of installing baseboard heating in that room right now, so a blower would be good. Then, I could move it to my garage when the time came.

Also, I am still looking to learn about PLATE HEAT EXCHANGERS. I need one that will take the heat from the water loop from the furnace, and transfer it to the water in the indoor heating system so that they fluid from the OWB and the indoor loop don't have to mix. I need Glycol in my interior system due to the lines running through a LOT of unheated space.

Anyone know how to size it? 30 plate, 50 plate, 60 plate, larger? Any links would be greatly appreciate. My prior indoor boiler was rated for 155,000 BTU/hr if that helps.

THANKS!

beenthere · « **Reply #29 on:** August 13, 2008, 08:46:52 am »

who doc
One link for heat exchangers and some written description of differences can be found in McMaster-Carr. http://www.mcmaster.com/

Gary_C · « **Reply #30 on:** August 13, 2008, 11:40:44 am »

Dana, do you have a hot water storage tank or does your hot water come directly from that heat exchanger?

Most of the recommended instalations I have seen show a standard hot water heater with what is called a shell and tube exchanger mounted on the side. Then a tempering valve is added to the discharge of the hot water tank to prevent scalding with that 180 deg water.

thecfarm · « **Reply #31 on:** August 13, 2008, 07:49:49 pm »

The heat exchanger is an Emerson.Cost $480 for a 86,000 BTU.A 40,000 would of been $60 less,at last years prices.I would get a speed control for it,if it's in living quarters.What are you calling ALOT of unheated area.I only have water in my system and my lines are about 30 feet I guess.I would think,scary,that as long as your circulators are on they should be moving the water through the lines.Mine are on all the time,the water never stops moving.Youy probaly have a very good reason for the anti freeze.I just don't under why as yet.

whodoctor · « **Reply #32 on:** August 13, 2008, 09:09:02 pm »

Hey TheCFarm,

My heating system is pretty complex, unfortunately. We converted a 15 room, 3 level contemporary (its long from end to end), from electric heat to hydronic air. 1600 feet, on two separate levels, is on slab, and the lines run through unheated attic space for 2 of the 3 zones before descending down to the slab level. This would still be simple enough to have the water circulate, non-stop, yes. However, there are also baseboard heaters being added to the infants room, and our older daughter's room and if the water circulates non-stop, it will be intolerably hot in there. So, I need the glycol in the system for an 'as needed' use. I wish I were ready to build because this would all be simple...but everything I do in this money pit has to be retrofitted to work in this house. Some else's broken dream is my nightmare. Still, the location is unbeatable, which is why I am still here.

...sorry for the long answer. I wish I could do here, what you do there. Its a great way to do it, if you can.

Dana · « **Reply #33 on:** August 14, 2008, 05:01:17 am »

Gary_C the flat plate is located on the side of our water heater. I bought a new water heater when I bought the furnace as I didn't want the crude in an old tank plugging up the heat exchanger. The water heater is used as a storage tank only. I lit it to make sure it worked when I installed it and it hasn't been turned on since.

thecfarm · « **Reply #34 on:** August 14, 2008, 05:25:59 am »

Seemed like you mentioned baseboard too.Now I understand,15 rooms,now that's a house.

whodoctor · « **Reply #35 on:** August 14, 2008, 07:33:34 am »

Uh, yeah. Its a lot to heat. One of those rooms is a utility room. When we converted from electric heat, we had to take the space for the system.

bull · « **Reply #36 on:** August 14, 2008, 02:36:24 pm »

15 rooms,sounds like a Hotel

JSNH · « **Reply #37 on:** August 15, 2008, 08:56:13 pm »

For a flat plate heat exchanger try here http://ctwoodfurnace.com/parts_water_to_water.htm

I installed a Central Boiler in December of last year. I priced around and purchased a 70 plate brazed heat exchanger from them and at the time it was the best price. It shipped fast received it in 1 or 2 days. I use it for a a line with antifreeze in it for heat in the barn and an apartment above the barn it works great. Give them a call.

whodoctor · « **Reply #38 on:** August 16, 2008, 10:05:29 am »

THANKS JSNH,

I think that the link you sent me goes to the same company as this ebay store...different name, but same logo and slogan!

http://stores.ebay.com/Alternative-Heating-and-Supplies

Either that, or they just outright stole the logo and slogan.

. I bet if I looked into it, they are the same folks.

How did you choose which size you needed? I had an engineer tell me I needed only a 20 plate. My CB dealer said 30 will do, and 50 if I want to 'kill it' (meaning, really never EVER worry). You went with a 70, which sounds great to me. The more efficient the heat transfer the better, IMO. But can you tell me how you made your choice?

Thanks for the link. I am looking forward to your response.

Peakebrook · « **Reply #39 on:** August 17, 2008, 03:27:45 pm »

My concern is that the firebox of the E2300 is one-third the size of the 6048. That has to translate into shorter burn times. I would like to limit filling the beast to once a day.

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Author Topic: E-Classic 2300 is now up and running in Central Mass (Read 34885 times)