The Word is Out

[Fla._Deadheader]

  Let's see what y'all think.

  link here]http://www.genepax.co.jp/en/]link here

[Dana]

Their website is pretty vague.  Most of their side bar menu's say "coming soon" to me this means they are still in the planning stage, maybe I'm wrong.

[Don P]

Same here, no details, whatcha know about it FD?

[beenthere]

  Let's see what y'all think.

  link here]http://www.genepax.co.jp/en/]link here

Yep, pretty vague.....leavin us hang like that. What do YOU think?   

[Fla._Deadheader]

 The link was to the English Version, which should be released today or tomorrow.

  Their original website is in Japanese. Anyone here want to read it in Japanese

 I was posting that they HAVE a system running, changing water to Hydrogen to run an electric motor from a fuel cell. NO Petroleum Fuel at all.

[Warbird]

"WES will save the earth from Global Warming"

   

[beenthere]

Yeppers....sure glad to hear that. We can get off that global warming hype now, as WES is taking care of it. 

Here is the Fox News press release, of the Honda car.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367244,00.html

[Fla._Deadheader]

 Yeah, well, The Japanese are trying to get exposure, and don't know that "Save the world" is a lousy term in the USA

  Lets just concentrate on the car facts, OK  

[zopi]

i'll admit that I don't know alot about it, but if it is so difficult to store hydrogen, due to atom size,
why not generate it in the small amounts needed right on board the car..instead of having to
hunt for a hydrogen station (a frightening term if ever I heard one)....

How much energy does it take to separate water into it's component parts..preferably without becoming incandescent carbon in the process?

I'd love to buy Evian instead of Premium...it's cheaper...

[pineywoods]

i'll admit that I don't know alot about it, but if it is so difficult to store hydrogen, due to atom size,
why not generate it in the small amounts needed right on board the car..instead of having to
hunt for a hydrogen station (a frightening term if ever I heard one)....

How much energy does it take to separate water into it's component parts..preferably without becoming incandescent carbon in the process?

I'd love to buy Evian instead of Premium...it's cheaper...

More energy is required to break water apart than you get back by burning the hydrogen.
There are other ways to make hydrogen, but they require natural gas or oil as the source stock. With current technology, the "hydrogen economy" is just a pipe dream.

[zopi]

Glad you said "with current technology"...

personal computers and mobile phones were pipe dreams just a few years ago...we'll get there..

just remember what Asimov said..Supernovae are usually industrial accidents..or was it that other guy?

[Kcwoodbutcher]

While it does take more energy to produce hydrogen from water than you get burning it , it is a useful storage medium for those "free"  energy sources, solar and wind.

[Warbird]

Hydrogen is far from a pipe dream if you use energy generated by a nuclear power plant to strip the hydrogen...  http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,26621.msg387211.html#msg387211

[Fla._Deadheader]

 Well, more in than out, is now not true.

  Breakthroughs have been worked out, where it takes 100 watts in, to produce enough to run a small engine. There's more to it than that, but, the Laws of Physics are just more laws to be broken.

  I've been studying and on a couple forums, where guys are on the verge of running cars on straight Hydrogen.

  Many are using Boosters, such as Ron Wenrich, to get better mileage and MUCH cleaner emissions. Trick is to make it while you use it and NOT store it. Hydrogen is VERY difficult to store. SS is one of a very few materials that will contain the molecules of Hydrogen from penetrating the material.

  Disbelieve all you want, but, don't cry when gasoline and diesel is $10.00 a Gallon. 

[Larry]

The announcement didn’t scare the oil traders yesterday as crude hit another record high during the day.

I think the car is great...whether a success or failure it’s a step to the future that had to be made.  Just wish it could have been one of the big three that had the foresight to do it.

[Fla._Deadheader]

 I agree Larry. It WILL be possible to convert YOUR vehicles very soon. This Technology is about to open the world to a different energy potential.

[pineywoods]

Hydrogen is far from a pipe dream if you use energy generated by a nuclear power plant to strip the hydrogen...  http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,26621.msg387211.html#msg387211

Warbird, I agree with you completely. Only problem as you know, is too many NIMBY (not in my back yard) folks. They don't seem to have any problem using the power from a nuke plant in MY back yard. I think it's time to tell them to sit down and shut up or as the former ceo of GE said "letum freeze in the dark". 

[Warbird]

I'm hoping my hometown will build a reactor and also pipe in natural gas.  They keep yanking our chains with the natural gas pipeline and personally, I just wish they'd shut up and build the thing.  I'd seriously consider changing my vehicles over to LNG, which doesn't require any special magic or considerations, and is a lot cleaner than gasoline.

Problem is, to do any of this requires big money.  And where there is big money, there is big corruption and profit-mongering.  Personally, I don't understand why big money has to mess everything up all the time.  I guess the majority of folks just don't know when they have enough.

[olyman]

Hydrogen is far from a pipe dream if you use energy generated by a nuclear power plant to strip the hydrogen...  http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,26621.msg387211.html#msg387211

Warbird, I agree with you completely. Only problem as you know, is too many NIMBY (not in my back yard) folks. They don't seem to have any problem using the power from a nuke plant in MY back yard. I think it's time to tell them to sit down and shut up or as the former ceo of GE said "letum freeze in the dark". 

  couldnt agree more--nimbys want electricity--but they want a utopian enviroment--aint gonna happen--maybe we should ask goreless----

[PineNut]

Saw an article in timesonline about bacteria that could make an equivalent product to petroleum. Claim that it could be done for about $50 a barrel. Other than manufacturing facilities and feedstock, it should not require a change in the infrastructure. I have heard a lot of other claims that could solve the energy problem (room temperature fusion) so I will believe this when I see it.

[DouginUtah]

 Well, more in than out, is now not true. 

Wow.
That would be perpetual motion.  The world is saved.


Are you toying with the gullible among us, Harold? 

Unfortunately, there are some laws of thermodynamics that say that is never going to happen.

[Riles]

The universe is saved, no laws of thermodynamics have been violated here. Harold's merely described an exothermic reaction. If you put a lit match to a pool of gasoline, you're getting more heat out than you added to start the reaction.

[DouginUtah]

 

[DouginUtah]

The universe is saved, no laws of thermodynamics have been violated here. Harold's merely described an exothermic reaction. If you put a lit match to a pool of gasoline, you're getting more heat out than you added to start the reaction.

That has always been true.
What is it that is now not true? 

[Fla._Deadheader]

 There are different ways to fracture water than just brute force electrolysis. Less energy used to get the job done.

  This is backyard tinkering that's getting the technology going, that's challenging the Laws of Physics. 

  Y'all don't have to believe it. Just keep living in the slow lane. 

[beenthere]

Hey Harold. We are watching youse guys in the fast lane.   Keep on keepin on (or speed up a bit  ).

[Gary_C]

Y'all don't have to believe it. Just keep living in the slow lane. 

I prefer to stay in "the sane lane," thank you.   

You guys be careful messin with those laws. If you break too many of them, this earth may stop spinning.