Saw Troll I think you are right. The bar it too long it came with the saw I bought 4 new chains and a new bar for it so I will probably stick with the bar for now and not push it too hard. I just bought a makita 6401 with a 20" bar I will use the makita for bigger stuff. I joined the forum to learn about chainsaws ,cutting wood, and trees thanks. I'll try not to hijack the thread any more David.