Starting new work area

[SwampDonkey]

They used a couple towers out in Clearwater I have heard, where there are a lot of small pointy mountains. The wood was nothing special, I don't think it was profitable. All they did was skin those mountain peaks that are now growing in shrubs and white birch and fir that can never be effectively managed with silviculture unless you want to hang on with ropes.

[timberfaller390]

Was there no contract? Might be time to bail. Trouble is an irate land owner, if it comes to that, can spread a lot of words around the local watering trough.  I really don't follow the logic behind a landowner wanting logging done without using equipment or at least a horse. Does he want you to use a horse?

I work for one woodlot owner on occasion doing some thinning and he's always looking for freebies, only he doesn't get them from me. He doesn't pay a cent for silviculture and tries to scheme for little extras. I just tell him up, I don't work for free. And if push came to shove I would take my crew and work on another lot, there are all kinds of woods. 

 
It's not that he doesn't want me use equipment it's that he doesn't want me to drive it across his yard

[SwampDonkey]

Build a road.

[beenthere]

timberfaller390
A little confusing to follow what the dilema really is here.  

If you've done some work already, then sounds like you should ask for your pay and leave the job.

Don't know what equipment you would "walk in" with, or what equipment you would need to "drive in" with that doesn't fit through the garage doors.

But sounds like you don't need the frustration, nor does the landowner.

You indicate you have moved some logs to the "landing", which implies some heavy equipment was once moved in to the logging site. Did you leave with that equipment and now have to get it back in there? Yet you indicate that the landowner wants to move his own downed trees (buck it up and he can carry it).  
But, I hope you can resolve the issues, or at least recover your investment in time, labor, and materials to date.  

Like SD asked, was there no contract?

[timberfaller390]

Beenthere the problem is he doesn't want any heavy equipment going across his yard
His road that he normally acesses the area with goes through a shed that is only about 6' tall so my tractor won't fit. I have pulled the couple of turns that I had on the ground with my jeep which would fit through the shed. This is not a bad arrangement but I don't see why he is going to allow a hired dozer in there to clean up the slash but won't let me bring my tractor through his yard which is the same way the dozer would have to go. as for moving his own downed trees the cedar is the only thing I'm taking out but if I see any other species that are leaning he wants me to cut and buck them so he can use them for fire wood. There is no contract or pay to draw except what the logs will bring at the mill. This didn't really start as a logging job I was just going to cut some of the smaller ones for fence posts for myself but he said to just cut all the cedar so I agreed to do the job. cedar is up in this area right now so I would've done okay without charging him any thing but with all the add ons I'm not so sure now. Sorry I didn't really intend to make these posts into such lengthy conversations but thanks for listening.

[beenthere]

Then, I think if I were you, I'd give him a bill for the hours worked, and leave until he pays. If he doesn't pay, I'd chalk it up as experience. Get it all written down, as you understand from your point of view. Keep a log of what has been said, and what will possibly be said. 
But leave, and leave a bill for your expenses.

But leave...

[zackman1801]

how does he expect to get these logs out of there? does he expect a log truck is going to drive down under that small shed? 
i think you would be better off leaving while you have a chance, take what you can with you and get out, unless you can talk him into letting you drive some equipment down in there.

[Ron Scott]

If you don't have a suitable access to do the job in an efficient, effective, and environmentally sound manner, then forget it. You need to have a reasonable contract with the landowner in advance defining the conditions under which the work can be done to suit both parties.