Author Topic: Loooonnnnngg boards! (Read 12526 times)

zopi · « **Reply #140 on:** February 01, 2008, 05:11:05 pm »

Quote from: Jeff on February 01, 2008, 01:12:53 pm

How many guys with logrite canthooks does it take to roll a 200 foot long log?

A bunch.

probably take a few D-9s to git r done...

ARKANSAWYER · « **Reply #141 on:** February 01, 2008, 06:33:01 pm »

Moving the log by air is not possible. A 30 inch log 200 ft long will weigh over 85,000 lbs. A 6x6x200' will weigh around 3,000 lbs and it could be lifted. Swing mills will be needed to do this (did I really say that?). There will be lots of short boards come off the side wood and all total make close to 10,000 bdft. It will take some skinny pecker pole to saw this in one day.
And if You are going to roll this you had better get some A.S.S. hooks

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #142 on:** February 01, 2008, 07:52:41 pm »

A 30 inch log would taper to nothing long before 200 feet is reached, unless it's a vine.

zopi · « **Reply #143 on:** February 01, 2008, 08:14:56 pm »

Quote from: ARKANSAWYER on February 01, 2008, 06:33:01 pm

Swing mills will be needed to do this (did I really say that?).

SEDITION! Off with his head!

That WOULD be alot of bed extensions for the 15 tho'....

WDH · « **Reply #144 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:15:03 pm »

I may have missed this in an earlier post, but what is the current longest board world record?

Tom · « **Reply #145 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:19:57 pm »

I know that long timbers have been cut, but didn't know there was a record being kept. Ships Masts have been created in the 100ft or better lengths. This is the only record type thing I could find on the Internet.

http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/bush/feb02/stories/10.asp

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #146 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:30:46 pm »

Yeah, there didn't seem to be a record on the Guiness site.

Radar67 · « **Reply #147 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:55:27 pm »

127.6 feet, from the Peterson Newsletter.

scsmith42 · « **Reply #148 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:57:17 pm »

I think that Arky is right on target with his weight concerns. When I read the helicopter pick comments, I too thought that the log would be too heavy to move by air.

Re the "30" size, a 200' log is probably going to taper from 60 - 72" on the butt down to 4" or so near the top, thus 30" would be an average volume for the entire log.

Probably the only way that this would be practical would be to find a use for the finished product at or near the log's location. It would be great if we could locate an end user for some of the products (big beams) that would be willing to foot the bill for the event.

We ought to shoot for setting EVERY record that we can... ie longest 2 x 4, longest 2 x 6, longest 10" x 20", longest picnic table, etc.

Scott

Dave Shepard · « **Reply #149 on:** February 01, 2008, 11:07:18 pm »

Don't forget most LogRites on one log! I think it might be time for a special edition Forestry Forum LogRite. But what color? Not pink, I hope.

I have seen pictures of loggers in the redwoods from maybe a hundred years ago with some 8 foot peaveys, and about 50 guys in the picture. I would guess there D9 hadn't been invented yet.

Dave

Burlkraft · « **Reply #150 on:** February 02, 2008, 08:10:36 am »

We've already proven that an ATS can saw a 6' diameter log......

10,00 bf

We could build the longest picnic table and a shelter over it too

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #151 on:** February 02, 2008, 09:11:33 am »

Yeah, probably 8,000 - 9,000 bf log volume. There would be 18-20 cord in one of those suckers. A typical Sitka Spruce stand established on a slide fan is around 550 cords/acre. The numbers that I remember were in metric ( clustered around 3000 m3/ha = 550 cords/acre), and we cruised for sawlog scale.

zopi · « **Reply #152 on:** February 02, 2008, 09:36:33 am »

Quote from: Burlkraft on February 02, 2008, 08:10:36 am

We've already proven that an ATS can saw a 6' diameter log......

10,00 bf We could build the longest picnic table and a shelter over it too

or the worlds biggest outhouse....

solodan · « **Reply #153 on:** February 02, 2008, 08:46:06 pm »

Quote from: Bro. Noble on February 01, 2008, 12:42:01 pm

What species of trees get big enough to qualify and where do they grow?

Alot of west coast species could reach that height, but only four species in North America would commonly reach the height needed.

Coast Redwood-- California
Doug Fir-- B.C. , Washington,Oregon,and California
Sitka--Alaska, B.C., Washington,Oregon, and California
Giant Seqouia-- California

I think the best species for this would be a Doug Fir. It is the smallest diameter of all of these. If we can keep the big end diameter under 60" things would be much more manageable. I would think Sitka would be possible as well, and though we may be able to obtain a windthrown Redwood from a Federal or state Park, the large Redwoods are probably too massive at the base to deal with.

Tillaway · « **Reply #154 on:** February 09, 2008, 03:58:46 pm »

A long board, say 200'. What you are asking for is a 200' log with a 30" scaling diameter. The biggest Doug fir I have cruised are up around 250' or so total height. DBH around 60" or more. Looks like you will be looking for an exotic or a Redwood, and a really big one at that.

Beating the 127' mark with a 140' is quite possible and can have a form that is mill-able for a portable mill. You will need to find a tree of good form from a stand with a high density and a high site index. Parts of Oregon and California will have some to choose from, and it will have to be sourced from private lands. You will have to mill the log either where its felled or skid it just a short distance to a better place to work. It will take big iron to move it like maybe a couple of D-7 or D-8 size cats. One could do it if the skid is favorable and the soils just right. Felling will be the tricky as well, trying to save one out that far is tough. You might have to build a bed to fall it on so it will save out.

Helicopters and boats are not an option for moving it.

Doug fir or Redwood would be your choice, spruce grow short and fat even 8 or 9 foot diameter ones have a hard time reaching just over 200' in Oregon. They have better form in the higher latitudes.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #155 on:** February 09, 2008, 04:31:27 pm »

We might have to go to the Charlottes or Porcher Canal. I can put my hands on few nice babies.

LOGDOG · « **Reply #156 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:44:12 pm »

Wait a second ... had a thought. Might be way off base here but maybe not. There's an outfit that is harvesting sunken timber out west. I'm thinking they're in Vancouver. I can get the link. This timber is standing dead in the reservoirs. They have a submersible that limbs the tree and then cuts it from the stump. I can't speak to the height or the diameter of these trees without re-reading the article. If they were sufficient though the felling issue is gone. Transport is as easy as a couple of airbags up the length of the tree to help overcome the negative bouyncy (sp?) and then it's off to the beach. To set the record all you have to do is cut it. It doesn't have to stay that long and I think you'll need to maybe give that up to have the other. It's still bragging rights either way. I'll find the link. Otherwise check out the thread here on the Forum "What would you do with 400Million Bd Ft of wood" - something like that. Can't remember verbatum.

LOGDOG

LOGDOG · « **Reply #157 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:48:43 pm »

Here's the link to that operation: http://www.petersonsawmills.com/press_articles_general27.pdf

If we could get something going with them i'd be all over it.

LOGDOG

scsmith42 · « **Reply #158 on:** February 09, 2008, 11:11:28 pm »

Landon, that's an interesting concept.

Personally, I'd really like to see the record-setting product be used in some fashion - that way there would be a long term tangible result from our efforts (in addition to the carmaraderie associated with an FF event!).

Depending upon the lake, there may be an opportunity to ship the completed beam via barge - that would potentially open up some financial partners that could arrange transport and help finance the costs of the operation.

Scott

LOGDOG · « **Reply #159 on:** February 10, 2008, 07:11:37 am »

Notice the barge in the pics? If it were long enough you could send up right on the barge and mill it. Those deck barges have good steel decks on them. That would help keep the tracks level. This outfit may be looking for some "publicity". Maybe they'd chip in or use the final products for bragging right at their offices? One can only ask.

LOGDOG

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