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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2007, 05:00:05 pm »
AMEN!  :)
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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2007, 10:34:33 am »
rfalk, thank you for that post. This topic has come up again and again on the Forestry Forum. Tom and I and others have repeatedly tried to discourage our members from engaging in such activity for the sake of getting some cheap lumber that very well could shorten their life.

I'm very appreciative to now have that post for easy reference to the inevitable times when this question will once again appear.
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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2007, 10:44:09 am »
I have some cedar poles they took down on the farm that were never treated. Course they date back to 1937 when the line went in.

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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2007, 12:53:18 pm »
Jeff,
I would be happy to try to help answer technical questions for the forum where I am able...this is a great site and I have learned a lot about milling....my thanks to all.

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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2007, 08:29:58 pm »
rfalk welcome, and thank-you for the info on sawing the treated poles, I will not burn them like I have said, after reading your post. I will take them to a land fill.  Will they be classified as a hazardous waste?
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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2007, 09:59:09 pm »
Bob,  being from North Carolina, which seems to be the SYP capital. I've often wondered why they harvest SYP so young mostly no bigger around then a 5 gallon bucket. Several years ago, I bought  some PT deck board and noticed the growth rings around 18 ~ 20 years some less some more. Now I think I understand why...

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Some species, such as southern pine sapwood, readily absorb chemical treatments and the chemical is found through most of the cross-section of the pole (except the heartwood).

It kinda makes sense now, it's not the heartwood they are after, it's the sapwood that's easy to treat.

Thanks for the post it was quite informative.
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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2007, 07:27:03 pm »
Stephen1,
I am not aware of any regulation in the US that requires disposal of treated wood in hazardous waste landfills. To my knowledge, all treated wood can be disposed of in normal Construction and Demolition (C&D) landfills. CCA treated wood is no longer to be used in consumer applications (e.g., decks, playgrounds,etc.) though it is still allowed for industrial applications (utility poles, piles, and bridge timbers). I am not knowledgeable of Canadian requirements.
If you saw treated wood, never sell it to someone who proposes to use it indoors...the only place for treated wood inside a house building envelope are for the sill plates (2-bys bolted to the concrete foundation that the wall studs are nailed to). An agriculture building is a different animal.

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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2007, 11:06:52 pm »
burning of cca relasses the arsnic in ash form i have an article that claims 4 tablespoons of cca ash can kill a 1200 lb cow
your life milage may vary
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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2007, 09:10:06 am »
The guys at the local wood treatment plant (Speaking of CCA treated wood) say that it is only slightly more dangerous than regular wood.

They have a ground water check point, to watch for spills.

I for one, think it may be alot worse than that, but I guess you have to have workers, and that may be hard to find, if the worker thought it was real bad stuff.

I for one don't really know, but if a bug or termite won't eat it, be careful!

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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2007, 02:57:55 pm »
YOU CAN BURY IT HOLE WITH OUT A PROBLEM.
but burn it & the arsnic poision is released to contamant & kill
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Re: sawing used electric poles
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2007, 07:09:27 pm »
Quote from: Nate Surveyor on December 12, 2007, 09:10:06 am

They have a ground water check point, to watch for spills.


Most excellent way to check for spills :o (duh)
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