Chinese Chainsaws

[Bernhard]

Hi

for the guys which are intrested in. I have  chinese Chainsaws in use


I would like to post some pics of them, but no results by posting ...if anyone can help, how to do it: Thanks in advance!

Experience
Ok.
At the pics You see clones of a Komatsu Zenoah 5200 GVS, A Stihl MS 210/230 and a Poulan.

The Komatsu came for free and worked in polish forest for 2 days in an 8hr shift, after that driving wheel of the oilpump and the clutch had been detroyed. Parts came for free from China.

I have bought 2 oft the MS 210/230, one I have in my Van, if I need a saw at work for Jobs, when at giving the contract, no trimming or felling was needed (Landscaping biz) The other one I have given to a friend in Poland, who is a forestal contractor (Stihl, Husky, Dolmar) the saw was totally destroyed within 14 days.

At the Poulan clone the fronthandle broke after around 15 hrs work.

http://www.chinajulico.com/

http://www.cn-chaoyue.com/

In Germany this Komatsu-Zenoah clones have been sold like crazy in 2006, but now there is no chance to get´em sold, that´s the reason, I have got it for free and only have to pay the tax for it.

BTW:For earning Money I own Stihl saws and BC´s
018, 024, 028, 044, 046, FS 200, FS 400, HS 45, HS 80, HL 75, BG 55.

[Furby]

Under the help button at the top of the page are directions for posting pics.
Yell if you need help. 

[logwalker]

I don't think that I will be buying any chinese chainsaws soon. Joe

[Warbird]

I don't think that I will be buying any chinese chainsaws soon. Joe

Me either.  Prolly get lead poisoning... 

[dancan]

at a 25 to 1 mix ratio the fumes will get you first 

[RSteiner]

Thanks for the warning.  The big question now is how many parts of the saw we love and trust are made with parts coming from China?

Randy

[sawguy21]

We are seeing name brand parts stamped Made in China. Even Honda is doing it. As long as the OEM maintains quality control there should be no problem.

[Tom]

Ah So-o.  Chinee chainsaw. You likee.  Me no likee.  Have chinee knife. No work.  thankyou.  have day of good.

[sawguy21]

You are a bad man. 

[Bernhard]

Who is a bad man, me? Come on...don´t judge about mei!!!

Germany has been a good market for he chinese zenoah clones. Has been!

They had been sold on ebay...only there for 170 € each...nowadays for 90€

Dealers profit is 12 €. Price fob chinese port is around 30 €...so You got what You pay.

But look at the japper cars, when they appeared at the US market. hanne´t they been cheap, too?

Here in Germany they have been awfully cheap in early 70`and have been fully equipped,with goodies, german buyers have to pay a lot of money for, if they buy a german car.

But take a look at the drop of the price for a chicom saw...think it says a lot.

I never would change all my Stihl Equipment for chinese stuff...butit was worth a try, really. On that way, I had the possibilty to figure out, if they are as bad as I have been told.

I have a chinese BC in use, too. Beside the FS 400 and 220, it is much better then the saws.


Hey, Tom

me never has saying that me likes them, but as longa there is a fool in Germanland, which would buy it....why not?

Infact, Tom...there have been a lot of fools here, cause of the raising costs of heatingoil and gas, which have started to make firewood. And China sucks o a lot of wood from our local forest..

But be honest...how much of them stay with firewood? I do so more then 20 years.

German ebay is as dead as a dead dog...so no possibilty to sell the chicom saws for a good price.

BTW: The pics are too big, so how can I make them show up here?

[dancan]

was at one of my suppliers today picking up some parts and they use one that they sell to cut pallets up , they say it works fine , it kinda felt a little plasticey .
for the money i'd buy a poulan before 1 of these .
just my 2cts

[beenthere]

Bernhard
Follow the "behind the Forum" guidlines, or the help tab above. Easy to get the pics to fit.

 

[oldsaw]

I don't think that I will be buying any chinese chainsaws soon. Joe

Me either.  Prolly get lead poisoning... 

Only if you lick them.

Mark

[sawguy21]

Don't worry Bernhard, I was definitely not referring to you.

[rebocardo]

See where they are recalling kids' beads, it seems when the kids put them in their mouths and swallow them, it chemically changes into the date rape drug.

[Bernhard]

Pics have to be comprimated...how can I do that.?..the Files are too big

[beenthere]

Reduce the size which is usually given in pixels. Less than 450 on the longest side works. Then save to the smallest compression to get under the 42 KB file size. That should work for you. Do the pixel thing first, for sure. 

[Warbird]

I don't think that I will be buying any chinese chainsaws soon. Joe

Me either.  Prolly get lead poisoning... 

Only if you lick them.

Mark

I don't love my chainsaw that much.  And the Mrs would prolly get jealous if I did! 

[leweee]

  When buying Chinese products "always pray for HAPPY ENDING" 

[TexasTimbers]

They can't even make a safe toy or a non-poisonous toothpaste. I'll be horse-whipped before I'd buy a chainsaw from them.

Berhard I am a Husky guy mostly but own Stihl also and like them. You have one of the two finest engineered saw companies in the world headquarterd right there in germany. You buy a Stihl one time for life. Support your fellow countryman.

[Timburr]

Pssst. Huskys originated from accross the little pond to Germany!

[TexasTimbers]

Pssst. Huskys originated from accross the little pond to Germany!

I don't understand what you are saying.   I always thought it started out as a weapons factory in Sweden in the 1600s.

[TexasTimbers]

Let me clairify further. I have always thought that Stihl is, and has always been a German company. And that Husqvarna is and always has been a Swedish company. Is this incorrect?

[Bernhard]

@TexasTimbers

I own a 018, 024, 028, 290, 044, 046, BC FS 85, FS 220, FS 400, Hedgetrimmers HS45, HS80, HL 75, Blower SH 55 and my pressure washer Stihl, too.

Before Stihl we had German brand Solo. So I think, that I support the german brands very well.

Infact, we do a lot of export of used equipment to Poland, cause Mrs. B is born there and she owns a little Farm in the Lubuskie area, 120 km south of the baltic sea.

The people there don´t have a lot of money, and Stihl or Husky equipment is only a bit cheaper then it is in Germany.

So we have thought about selling this chicom saws in Poland. For my own landscaping business they are useless, if we have to do large felling jobs. If You have to cut a small tree in a garden, which is eventually a job of 10 minutes, they are ok, but for everything else...forget it.

I bought the 028 in 1985 and only had appr. 60$ for parts or repair (excepted chains and bars) and it is still running, but I have sended it into retirement.

Husqvarna is from Sweden, very good saw, too. But we don´t have a good Husky dealer here. An I have a very good relationship to the Stihlguy.


Heinz Frings
Hauptstraße 108
52379 Langerwehe

So, I see no reason to change. And infact no reason to change to chinese equipment.

If You take a look at this machines: There is noone of them, which is developed in china, only copies, most of them bad ones. And also it seems, that the main market was Germany, maybe Africa with a large Stihl 070 clone without a chainbrake.

If You follow the chinese advertising sites

www.made-in-china.com

www.alibaba.com or

www.chinasources.com

The companies, which are offering their equipment are stating, that they are selling their machines all around the world. For i. E. tractors I can believe, Homeelectronics like TV´s Radios or Computers, Yes. But Machinery?

A chinese SUV (Landwind) didn´t stand a crashtests, same with a car offered as "Brilliance".

http://www.brillianceauto.com/brands/zunchi.html

[Timburr]

....... You have one of the two finest engineered saw companies in the world headquarterd right there in germany......

Texas Timbers, I apologise profusely for the confusion.   The two words "one of" in your post, flew off into obscurity and failed to register home.   You're absolutely correct with Stihl's and Husqvarna's history.
Note to self; must get brain into gear before posting!

[TexasTimbers]

No apologies necessary Timburr. If that's the worst thing that happens we got it whupped.

Bernhard thanks for the explanation I understand your situation much better. Hope you weren't offended none was intended.

[Bernhard]

TexasTimbers,

that´s the reason for a Forum: To share thoughts and experience. As long as an Answer is given in a civilisated way, as You have done, nothing against it.

But for sure: If I would have need for a chainsaw here and the and never had one before, I maybe would think about buyin´g a chicom saw, even when wife is complainig about the price for a Stihl MS170/MS180, to keep her quiet.

My Stihldealer didn´t sell a MS 170, cause his opinion si, that it is Junk!

On the otherside: The small spaces in Germany, allow You to dow sawwork at home with an electrical saw. .

Have a good day, best regards from Germany

Bernhard

german VFD

http://www.feuerwehr-derichsweiler.de/

[Bernhard]

Cause I don´t know, how to make the pics smaller

here is the link to the manufacturer and the saws

http://www.cn-chaoyue.com/

CS 36 (Poulan Clone) mine is Poulan lime green, Chainwheel cover is yellow.

http://www.cn-chaoyue.com/big-e.php?pid=386

CS 35 (Stihl MS 210/230 clone)

http://www.cn-chaoyue.com/big-e.php?pid=385

Factories support is a pain in the a@@e!

I have been contacte by a salesperson 1 year after sales. She didn´t ask, if I´m satisfied with the saws. First Question was: "When will you order?"

I told her, that the stuff I have gotten was a bunch of Junk. After that I never heard of them again.

http://www.chinajulico.com/

sended me a

http://www.chinajulico.com/promx_e.asp?f_id=22&s_id=148&prolist_id=946
(YD52, clone of Zenoah GVS 5200)

for free! For testing it.

Support of factory was good, I have got the broken parts twice for free.

Take a look at this one, old Stihl design and color, my 028 looks the same. I guess this one is a 038 clone.

http://www.chinajulico.com/promx_e.asp?f_id=22&s_id=148&prolist_id=992


And heeeeeeeere Ladies and Gentlemen, Chinajulico proudly presents, the unique, unbeatable Stihl 070 clone the:
http://www.chinajulico.com/promx_e.asp?f_id=22&s_id=148&prolist_id=1015

:-)))))))))))))

[TexasTimbers]

Those chainsaws are obviously manufactured by Shaolin Monks because they are all just hovering in mid air.

[rebocardo]

Here is a feature on the China made saws you do not see here on saws in the USA much anymore

"Gasoline/2-cycle oil mixing ratio: 25:1"

When they copy an old saw, they really copy it.

[sawguy21]

  Either that saw has very sloppy tolerances or the Chinese oil is scrappola too.

[Trax]

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[barbender]

I know my Husky 346xp has a chinese carb on it, and that saw never has ran quite right. I am in favor of their rich 25:1 ratio, or at least 40:1. I've never trusted these  lean oil mixtures on the new saws.

[TexasTimbers]

Would someone please elaborate further about the chinese carberator. Has the 346xp been out long enough for there to be any track record of problems with it?

I have not bought it yet because I am seriously thinking of having my daughter gift wrap it real pretty and professional like she can do, and putting it under the tree from me to my wife.

I ain't kiddin niether. Here's why. She told me she, no, she stressed that this year she wants something useful for Christmas and no foo foo carpola or jewelry or nuttin girly this year. She did NOT specify that it had to be useful only to her. A chainsaw is extremely useful don't you think It would certainly be her chainsaw. I have little doubt she will allow me to use it either.

Maybe I ought to go ahead and get her something else as well though. New chaps or something. No one appreciates safety like a nurse.

[PC-Urban-Sawyer]

TT,

I think if you carry out your proposed plan of action this Christmas that before "Boxing Day" you will need the services of a medical specialist even more qualified than your wonderful wife, the nurse...

Course, that's just my opinion and thirty-four married Christmases talking, your milage may vary...

[TexasTimbers]

The first words out of her mouth will probably be "I wanna hear it run!"
Then, the next words out of her mouth will be "So what else did you get me?"

Hmm. Maybe she needs a new Festool guide rail system too.

Truthfully she is not the normal wife. She loves power tools and all the woodworking machinery in the shop. When she is not nursing she likes to go out in the woods with me and hear the 372 and 395 growling all morning while she sits patiently and watches me work.
I do need to get her checked out on her new limbing saw though. That will give me a chance to sip a cup of coffee while she does her half of the work. I fell 'em, she limbs 'em.

[Furby]

Truthfully she is not the normal wife.

As much as I'd like to, I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole!

If you do get her one for Christmas, can we get a video of her opening it
 

[Bow Saw]

TT,
Ah, ha finally, someone whose wife fulfills the Dirty Harry quote that SD has!
I'm curious, do you help as well with the cooking, laundry, and cleaning?
It's neat to see a husband and wife working as a team!
Mrs. Bow Saw

[TexasTimbers]

Furby, on my solemn word I actually considered adding a caveat behind that staement but i figured someone would just reply "You are just too paranoid"  I am not joking!

Bow Saw yep I help with the house work. If i see something that needs doing and she worked that day then I do it (she is on her feet all day with her job). She doesn't even have to swat me with the broom.
I will admit I don't do laundry very often cause she don't like the wrong stuff mixed together and I just can't learn all those seperation rules and water temp requirements.
But I cook quite frequently, 2 - 4 times a week and i vaccum and sweep and i even do dishes. Dishwashers are no-brainers even for me. Now it's not like I am Mr. Mom but I pitch in enough to keep out of the doghouse.

[Mad Professor]

I know my Husky 346xp has a chinese carb on it, and that saw never has ran quite right. I am in favor of their rich 25:1 ratio, or at least 40:1. I've never trusted these  lean oil mixtures on the new saws.

I have ran all my saws at 40-50:1 since the 1970s.  You just can't use crap oil, have to be accurate mixing (I use a chemistry set volumetric cyl. to measure oil) ,and now you have to worry about crap gas (10% ethanol) too.  I've switched to 100 LL Av gas for my saws since the introduction of ethanol.  Too much oil causes problems too, carbon build up in exhaust/head, detonation, lackluster performance.  Regardless, you need to have your mix screws properly adjusted or you will fry a saw running 25:1 or 100:1 (i.e. some run amisoil at 100:1)

My first saw, a 70s homlite super XL, still has original internals and has cut hundreds of cords of fire wood.  It still runs/cuts fine but I've taken a liking to saws with anti-vibe features.

Concerning Chicom saws, not for me.  I just rebuilt 2 038 stihl magnums with NOS sthil parts I ebayed.  They will last long after I'm too old to cut/mill/burn wood........

[sawguy21]

For lass time, iss not made of lice paper and bamboo and does not lun on saki.

[rebocardo]

All I can say about a chainsaw gift under the tree for the wife can be summed up in three words

texas
chainsaw
massacre

 

[TexasTimbers]

All I can say about a chainsaw gift under the tree for the wife can be summed up in three words

texas
chainsaw
massacre

 

To be honest I have nearly chickened out been re-thinking this. I haven't ruled it out in fact I just asked Bailey's if I order today would it get here by Christmas. She said yes. I have been thinking of getting her something she has mentioned dropped strong hints about several times over the last couple months and I have made zero effort to make it happen. I have to decide by monday morning the Bailey's gal says.

[Bernhard]

Komatsu Clones in Stihl Colours!

http://www.xinrui-tools.com/products.asp?ver=en&classid=4

[sawguy21]

Komatsu They are a highly respected heavy equipment manufacturer, in fact they just sold the top quality RedMax line to Husqvarna. Anybody that knows Stihl equipment will not be fooled but it is a sneaky marketing ploy copying their color scheme.

[letsgetitracing]

i was in tsc tractor supply  company yesterday buying stuff for my splitter --- brass full port ball valve, 2many pieces of pipe some galv. some black pipe, stainless clamps, etc. everything i bought was made in china and people wonder why we are in the perdicument*sp we are in with the economy i was like wtf at the check out

nafta cafta we got the shafta

[TexasTimbers]

I never did get her the chainsaw. That "something else" I mentioned that I had made zero effort to do for her, is what i ended up doing and that was arranging a get-away at a B&B. At some point during our R&R at the B&B in Big D, I mentioned she came "that close!" (said it like Maxwell Smart with my thumb and forefinger in a pinch) to getting a new chainsaw instead. "Ohhhhhhhhhhh! You should have bought it anyway!"

So, here I am just getting around to shopping for one again. We have alot of logs to whack if the rain ever stops long enough for extended logging.

I waited too late to get one at $399 or even close. I just got off the phone with Norwalk and they say they will get new prices from Husky Tuesday, and don't have any left. They have been selling them for $440ish I think he said. of course Bailey's is no longer an option unless you happen to live down the street or know someone who does. I thik I have resigned to the fact that I am going to have to pay right around $500 after shipping, unless I can just find a powerhead. I have plenty of bars.

Any ideas?

[Dale Hatfield]

I use a Red Max Komatsu saw for carving its a good little saw for detail. But It has a flaw . I eats starter pawls about once a year.
Husky bought em and squished the unit that carvers loved. Go figger. Red max has been a big leading name in string trimmers for years amoung lawn moing people.
Dale

[jokers]

I thik I have resigned to the fact that I am going to have to pay right around $500 after shipping, unless I can just find a powerhead. I have plenty of bars.

Any ideas?

If you are still talking about buying the 346, remember that it takes a small mount bar, unlike your bigger Huskies.

[TexasTimbers]

I was counting on the bars for my 345 being the same.

[sawguy21]

The 345 and 346XP use the same bar mount.