Author Topic: Rest Stop Tree (Read 3593 times)

Jeff · « **on:** September 14, 2007, 12:14:09 pm »

Here is a favorite tree of mine. Can you I.D. it? I'm not exactly sure what it is. I usually stop at this rest stop coming back from the U.P. simply to see this tree (and use the facilities

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I really need to take my stand and get a very good picture. I think this tree and its back drop would make a beautiful framed picture.

I have some leaf pictures as well.

Don K · « **Reply #1 on:** September 14, 2007, 02:03:21 pm »

That is a unusual looking tree but it combines with the background to make a stunning scene.

Texas Ranger · « **Reply #2 on:** September 14, 2007, 02:55:51 pm »

Pithelm?

Jeff · « **Reply #3 on:** September 14, 2007, 06:33:21 pm »

I'm wondering the same. I'll post a leaf later and it sure has an elm look to it.

Furby · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2007, 06:39:40 pm »

And I just though ole Tex was trying to be funny.

Jeff · « **Reply #5 on:** September 14, 2007, 06:52:53 pm »

WDH · « **Reply #6 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:26:59 pm »

I think the TRanger is on the money. Sure looks like those leaves have inequilateral bases to me

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Jeff · « **Reply #7 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:37:27 pm »

I've taken more photos of this tree, and some other photos from this same rest stop. I believe it to be the most beautiful rest stop in all of Michigan. At least of the ones I have stopped at.

WDH · « **Reply #8 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:39:32 pm »

The next time that I come up there, I would like to rest at that rest stop and see the little Ulmus

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Furby · « **Reply #9 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:40:01 pm »

Was wondering what rest stop it was on the way up to the ATV thing.
Forgot to ask you while we were up there and was wondering what one it was on the way back.

Mooseherder · « **Reply #10 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:48:52 pm »

Quote from: Jeff B on October 17, 2007, 11:37:27 pm

I've taken more photos of this tree, and some other photos from this same rest stop. I believe it to be the most beautiful rest stop in all of Michigan. At least of the ones I have stopped at.

Is that the rest stop your were pulling in while we was waving goodbye?

Gary_C · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2007, 12:23:05 am »

When I first saw those big leaves, my first impression was basswood. Even though the form does not look like any basswood I've seen, I have also never seen elm leaves that broad.

So I will stick with basswood.

Jeff · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2007, 01:07:35 am »

Quote from: WDH on October 17, 2007, 11:39:32 pm

The next time that I come up there, I would like to rest at that rest stop and see the little Ulmus .

You Bet. We'll go visit my property, then hit the rest area on the way back home.

Furby, its the first rest area on I-75 south bound after you leave the Mackinaw City Area. There is one right there near the bridge, but this one is several miles on down the road.

Furby · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2007, 01:11:53 am »

I had a feeling that was the one.

WDH · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2007, 10:08:54 pm »

Quote from: Gary_C on October 18, 2007, 12:23:05 am

So I will stick with basswood.

Basswood leaves are not doubly serrate.

Jeff · « **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2007, 10:20:21 pm »

That AINT no basswood.

I gotta find my other rest stop tree photos. $:-\$

Gary_C · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2007, 10:50:33 pm »

Ya, it dont look like basswood, next guess is red mulberry?

WDH · « **Reply #17 on:** October 18, 2007, 10:53:48 pm »

Not doubly serrate

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Gary_C · « **Reply #18 on:** October 18, 2007, 11:18:08 pm »

It just does not look like a Ulmus to me. But then I did not know about doubly serate either.

What it could be is a Japanese Zelkova.

WDH · « **Reply #19 on:** October 18, 2007, 11:30:56 pm »

It could be an ornamental Ulmus.

Gary_C · « **Reply #20 on:** October 18, 2007, 11:55:20 pm »

According to my book, Japanese Zelkova is an introduced tree that has been suggested as a substitute for the American Elm as it is resistant to Dutch Elm disease plus it resembles elms. Plus the broad upswept branches and rounded crown fits this tree.

Not like I have ever seen one before, I just happened on the page in the book with the description.

Brian Beauchamp · « **Reply #21 on:** October 19, 2007, 01:59:23 am »

Looks like a big ironwood/hophornbeam/whatever common name you want to call it (Ostrya virginiana) to me.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #22 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:19:19 am »

I agree with Brian on this. Ironwood. I've seen old growth ones on line fences that grow just like that. A big group of branches at the bottom of the crown with a fast tapering bole above them. They don't grow real tall, but get big buts.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #23 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:32:05 am »

Look for these on your next rest stop.

Male catkin of ironwood, 90° cant to twig. I'm finding some sections of thinning in my latest block that look like beaked hazel voids to the untrained eye. In the middle of those clumps of nasty, knarly thickets are ironwood rising above them. Very shade tolerant.

tonich · « **Reply #24 on:** October 19, 2007, 09:47:03 am »

OK.
I’m joining WDH’s team - Ulmus!…
…unless there is another North American specias, which I’m not familiar to, that looks like the same.
Generally, I avoid tree species recognition by picture, but here is an exception for you: I’m sure 99 % it is Ulmus.

Jeff · « **Reply #25 on:** October 19, 2007, 02:50:15 pm »

I fond my other pictures. Here is another of that same tree, about 3 weeks later.

This is just one of the vistas from the rest stop.

Another rather hard to find tree for our area. Can you name this one from just this view? I'll have others.

IL Bull · « **Reply #26 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:59:31 pm »

Redhaw (Hawthorne)

Texas Ranger · « **Reply #27 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:41:37 pm »

pyrocamphtha

Brian Beauchamp · « **Reply #28 on:** October 19, 2007, 05:23:34 pm »

Quote from: Texas Ranger on October 19, 2007, 04:41:37 pm

pyrocamphtha

Did you just make that up, or could it be misspelled?

I couldn't find anything from a search on it!

Gary_C · « **Reply #29 on:** October 19, 2007, 05:35:41 pm »

I have a tree in my front yard that looks just like that one. It was supposed to be a cross that would produce chieftan apples, but the graft did not take and what we have is two separate trees growing together. In the spring we get one color of blossoms on one side and another color on the other side. In the fall we get good eating apples on one side and little sour apples on the other side.

Now since the tree in question has those red spots all over in the picture, my guess is some type of APPLE tree.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #30 on:** October 19, 2007, 05:54:18 pm »

So which one resembled Jeff's leaf picture the closest?

#1

#2

#3

Furby · « **Reply #31 on:** October 19, 2007, 07:32:03 pm »

I'm going with #1!

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #32 on:** October 19, 2007, 07:35:33 pm »

I'm not going to say anything until everyone gets a chance.

WDH · « **Reply #33 on:** October 19, 2007, 08:49:50 pm »

I am not ruling out Ostrya virginiana, hophornbeam.

Jeff · « **Reply #34 on:** October 19, 2007, 08:51:18 pm »

Here is the best example I have of the leaf. I'll look for a bark photo.

WDH · « **Reply #35 on:** October 19, 2007, 08:53:27 pm »

It is distinctly doubly serrate. Hophornbeam is definitely in the cards.

Jeff · « **Reply #36 on:** October 19, 2007, 08:55:35 pm »

What part of the tree would the bark be the most telling. Limbs or trunk?

Gary, still guess apple?

Jeff · « **Reply #37 on:** October 19, 2007, 08:59:26 pm »

Quote from: IL Bull on October 19, 2007, 03:59:31 pm

Redhaw (Hawthorne)

I missed that guess.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #38 on:** October 19, 2007, 09:22:46 pm »

I'd say a branch about 2 inch in diameter and the trunk. But, the leaves and the tree form tell me a great deal already.

Jeff · « **Reply #39 on:** October 19, 2007, 09:45:37 pm »

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #40 on:** October 19, 2007, 09:53:27 pm »

Yip, that does it for me Jeff.

Case closed.

Next.

WDH · « **Reply #41 on:** October 19, 2007, 09:55:25 pm »

I think that Gary_C is right. The first tree posted looks more like hophornbeam

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Gary_C · « **Reply #42 on:** October 19, 2007, 10:00:00 pm »

Quote from: Jeff on October 19, 2007, 08:55:35 pm

Gary, still guess apple?

Don't I get credit for hitting the right family?

It is some kind of Hawthorn.

Gary_C · « **Reply #43 on:** October 19, 2007, 10:05:31 pm »

Quote from: WDH on October 19, 2007, 09:55:25 pm

I think that Gary_C is right. The first tree posted looks more like hophornbeam .

Even a blind squirrel........! Oh wait a minute. Did I steal that one.

Lanier_Lurker · « **Reply #44 on:** October 19, 2007, 10:59:48 pm »

I thought it was a blind hog?

tonich · « **Reply #45 on:** October 20, 2007, 03:58:39 am »

Quote from: SwampDonkey on October 19, 2007, 09:53:27 pm

Yip, that does it for me Jeff.

Case closed.

What is it, Swamp!?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #46 on:** October 20, 2007, 06:47:14 am »

Ostrya Virginiana (ironwood, hophornbeam)

Funny about this common name stuff. The Native Trees of Canada book calls it hophornbeam like you guys, but the professor used ironwood because of the Textbook of Dendrology used it. All at the same time I don't know of many woodlot owners that wouldn't call it hophornbean but the Ranger School and Forestry grads all call it ironwood.

What a tangled web we live in.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #47 on:** October 20, 2007, 06:50:38 am »

My recollection is a little different though.

Quote from: Brian Beauchamp on October 19, 2007, 01:59:23 am

Looks like a big ironwood/hophornbeam/whatever common name you want to call it (Ostrya virginiana) to me.

Quote from: SwampDonkey on October 19, 2007, 04:19:19 am

I agree with Brian on this. Ironwood. I've seen old growth ones on line fences that grow just like that. A big group of branches at the bottom of the crown with a fast tapering bole above them. They don't grow real tall, but get big buts.

Texas Ranger · « **Reply #48 on:** October 20, 2007, 09:24:47 am »

OK, I'll go with WDH and Gary-c

Brian Beauchamp · « **Reply #49 on:** October 20, 2007, 02:25:43 pm »

Quote from: SwampDonkey on October 20, 2007, 06:50:38 am

My recollection is a little different though.

Quote from: Brian Beauchamp on October 19, 2007, 01:59:23 am
Looks like a big ironwood/hophornbeam/whatever common name you want to call it (Ostrya virginiana) to me.

Quote from: SwampDonkey on October 19, 2007, 04:19:19 am
I agree with Brian on this. Ironwood. I've seen old growth ones on line fences that grow just like that. A big group of branches at the bottom of the crown with a fast tapering bole above them. They don't grow real tall, but get big buts.

What do ya mean, SD?

isawlogs · « **Reply #50 on:** October 20, 2007, 02:43:19 pm »

Ironwood , one of the best to make axe handles . Not from one in the pic ... a nice straight big one . I make all of my axe handles with it , if taken care of ( not leave them out in da rain ) they will last a long time . I have an axe here that I use often , that the handle was made thurdy years ago . I gotta amit to hidding it from da BIL ...

We call um Ironwood here , well more like * bois dur *

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #51 on:** October 20, 2007, 02:58:55 pm »

Yes they make good axe handles. I like hard maple handles to. Mom's uncle used to make all his tool handles out of ironwood. My uncle used to receive some of those axe handles and split a lot of kitchen stove wood with them for two houses. They did well to last a season unfortunately. He was hard on handles. An red oak handle lasted about 12 blocks of wood before it would shatter.

Sometimes we just call'm hornbeam. I find you have to use the common name that suits the audience.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #52 on:** October 20, 2007, 03:05:17 pm »

Quote from: Brian Beauchamp on October 20, 2007, 02:25:43 pm

What do ya mean, SD?

Not a thing, other than the tree is ironwood.

isawlogs · « **Reply #53 on:** October 20, 2007, 03:32:03 pm »

I would not make a handle out of Maple , not enough spring in it and would break too soon after being put to work .
I try to make 'bout ten to fiften handles per year . I have enough sawed from two years ago to last me this winter . I have some logs settup and Dads for another batch of handles and have some trees already lined up for next summer .
I'll need to go to an auction soon and get me some more axes ...

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #54 on:** October 20, 2007, 03:47:45 pm »

I've never broke my hard maple axe handles. I have one blade I put a new maple handle in 22 years ago and I still have it. It's a trusty little axe. I've abused it terrible and should be condemned, but it's the axe that could.

built lean too's, one thread on here about it.
cut camp fire wood
blazes and painted line trees with my surveyor (that's why it's now got red paint on it)
laid in the back of the pickup in the weather for ages
laid out by the fire pot wood pile for ages.
pounded tent stakes, sign posts
even cut tree roots.

Oh, the white paint? It got under the drip when I was painting a door.

Furby · « **Reply #55 on:** October 20, 2007, 04:01:03 pm »

Maybe the "spring" in Marcel's handle is it coming apart!

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #56 on:** October 20, 2007, 04:07:27 pm »

No, I agree with Marcel on the spring factor. But I have to defend hard maple as a good tool wood.

isawlogs · « **Reply #57 on:** October 20, 2007, 04:55:10 pm »

That axe something like a 1lb and a 1/4 or so .... a hip axe . When I said not enough spring , I meant it for a wood splitting axe . Ya can make a handle outa almost anything for those one handers .

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #58 on:** October 20, 2007, 05:11:12 pm »

Hey, I use both hands. It's axually a 2-1/4, stamped on it. See?

Don't need as much spring or swing if you use on frozen green wood with straight grain.

isawlogs · « **Reply #59 on:** October 20, 2007, 05:43:00 pm »

tonich · « **Reply #60 on:** October 21, 2007, 04:36:02 am »

Then I’m beaten! – it is not Ulmus

$:-\$

PS. Yet another reason to visit NB.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #61 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:16:16 am »

Quote from: tonich on October 21, 2007, 04:36:02 am

Then I’m beaten! – it is not Ulmus (Image hidden from quote, click to view.) $:-\$

PS. Yet another reason to visit NB.

All I'm gonna say is there must be some real knarly elm growing in some places.

Ours grow straight and tall here, even the polewood are branchless for 15 feet.

Ron Scott · « **Reply #62 on:** October 24, 2007, 07:22:43 pm »

The bark and leaf photos make it an easy "ironwood". A large one though, larger than most we see here.

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Author Topic: Rest Stop Tree (Read 3593 times)