Author Topic: Identifying Plants on Radar67's Place - WDH visits (Read 3692 times)

Radar67 · « **on:** September 04, 2007, 10:05:33 pm »

WDH came by my place this evening and we took a walk around my property. He was like a kid in a candy store running from one tree or plant to the other. He was rattling off names like it weren't nothing....til he got to this one.

He had a guess to what it was, but just wasn't sure. I couldn't believe he was stumped.

I looked up his guess and I think he got it right.

Danny will be covering some of the other plants on this post in the future.

We had a lot of fun visiting, looking at trees, and talking about wood in general. Even started the day off with a lumber ID test...he passed with flying colors.

Anybody know what it is?

Stew

Don K · « **Reply #1 on:** September 05, 2007, 12:50:12 pm »

Looks like a type of bay by the leaf, but I've never seen a flower? like that before on anything. I sure wish I could have been there. I wish mother nature would have treated you better too.

Don

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #2 on:** September 05, 2007, 02:35:44 pm »

I know what it looks like, but it isn't. But, I know it's related. Seems we had this plant before to ID. I forget the name of it, but I know the name of it's cousin up here in the Noth.

Radar67 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 05, 2007, 04:07:03 pm »

SD, now that you mention it, I think you are right that we ID'd this plant before. In retrospect, I'm not sure if we positively identified the plant. I will say WDH was thinking on the same lines though.

Stew

WDH · « **Reply #4 on:** September 05, 2007, 06:51:34 pm »

Nothing like a good review

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sgtmaconga · « **Reply #5 on:** September 06, 2007, 01:44:50 am »

I followed WDH when he toured my place and wish now i has carded each tree. he is a knowledge base that i turn to often.

Thanks again WDH

Richard

Radar67 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 06, 2007, 09:47:19 am »

I have to agree with that. I'm thinking seriously about flagging mine temporarily and writing the names on the flagging, til I learn what they are.

Stew

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2007, 04:32:40 pm »

I've had to flag some of my trees, but to be able to find them again. Hardwood seedlings.

WDH · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2007, 06:34:55 pm »

Richard and Stew,

Looks like a second visit (with flagging in tow) is in order

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WDH · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2007, 06:37:01 pm »

It is a stinking shame that y'all can't ID this plant

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SwampDonkey · « **Reply #10 on:** September 06, 2007, 06:59:03 pm »

It sure is a stinker.

Tom · « **Reply #11 on:** September 06, 2007, 07:08:36 pm »

But for the flower, it looks kinda like a Paw Paw.

Radar67 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2007, 07:53:11 pm »

And we get a nibble from Florida...............though not the right one.

WDH, you are welcome here any time.

Stew

WDH · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2007, 08:00:54 pm »

Do I smell a fishy-like odor

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Don K · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2007, 11:27:10 pm »

Stew told me so I can't say. I wonder if you could get any extract to make trot line bait.

Don

Radar67 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2007, 11:30:17 pm »

That may be too spicy for the quarry.

Stew

Don K · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2007, 11:48:13 pm »

Actually is a very good attractant in fish soap for trotlines.

PineNut · « **Reply #17 on:** September 08, 2007, 08:36:16 pm »

I believe that the flower in Radar67's post is a seed pod. I have many of these plants on my place here are a couple of pictures of the flower and seed pod.

Riles · « **Reply #18 on:** September 08, 2007, 08:57:11 pm »

OK, OK, Illicium floridanum, but you know, all the keys specifically call out a red petiole.

Radar67 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 08, 2007, 09:44:04 pm »

That is correct Riles. It is an Anise tree.

Stew

WDH · « **Reply #20 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:13:52 pm »

OK. Here is another one.

Tom · « **Reply #21 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:17:09 pm »

That looks a bit like Blue Beech.

WDH · « **Reply #22 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:19:07 pm »

Tom nailed this one.

Tom · « **Reply #23 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:20:49 pm »

Whaduiwin! Whaduiwin!

I'll sleep good tonight. Pretty good guess, eh?

WDH · « **Reply #24 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:21:20 pm »

What about this fruit?

Furby · « **Reply #25 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:23:21 pm »

Burning bush.

Tom · « **Reply #26 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:27:30 pm »

I know that too, but I'm not saying anything. Somehow it feels like I'm cheating.

WDH · « **Reply #27 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:28:07 pm »

Quote from: Tom on September 13, 2007, 09:20:49 pm

Whaduiwin! Whaduiwin!
I'll sleep good tonight. Pretty good guess, eh?

You win an all expense paid trip to ................well, not really. In fact, all you win is the reputation as an awesome tree ID expert

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WDH · « **Reply #28 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:29:19 pm »

Burning bush? You mean the thing that Moses saw? Nope..........

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Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #29 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:43:56 pm »

I think he means eastern wahoo, AKA Euonymous sumpthin'r'another

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I know it too, and I must say, that's a pretty sweet ID challenge

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LeeB · « **Reply #30 on:** September 13, 2007, 09:45:56 pm »

Some type of Magnolia? I know next to nothing about IDing trees. Just a guess.

WDH · « **Reply #31 on:** September 13, 2007, 11:14:19 pm »

LeeB,

You are on a roll! Don't stop now..............

LeeB · « **Reply #32 on:** September 13, 2007, 11:33:39 pm »

I think ya'll have taught me enough to know that sweet bay is a member of the magnolia family and with the previous clue that's gonna be my guess.

Radar67 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 13, 2007, 11:44:41 pm »

Lee, if I remember correctly, I believe you are right.

Stew

WDH · « **Reply #34 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:08:35 am »

Lee....

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LeeB · « **Reply #35 on:** September 14, 2007, 01:03:07 am »

Yahoo!! Goes to show you, you can teach an old dog.

Tom · « **Reply #36 on:** September 14, 2007, 01:27:24 am »

Way to go, Lee!!

LeeB · « **Reply #37 on:** September 14, 2007, 01:55:23 am »

Educate me some more. Would this also be known as bay laurel, or is that something different?

Tom · « **Reply #38 on:** September 14, 2007, 02:48:56 am »

No, it isn't the same tree.

Laurus nobilis, Lauraceae is a true bay. It is the one that is used for seasonings and is a mediteranian plant.

The sweet bay we have in the Southeast is a Magnolia (Magnolia virginiana)and is also called a swamp sweet bay. It's leaves are not known to be used for spice. It's wood, with the peculiar grain, is similar to the other magnolias. It' s fruit is a cone shaped thing that contains red seeds, just like the picture that WDH posted, whereas the true laurel has black berry type fruits. It also has a small, magnolia shaped flower.

Red Bay Lauraceae Persea borbonia is our version of the Laurus nobilis. Usually a small tree in today's woods, it has the capability of becoming a large tree that produces saw logs. It's wood was known as Florida Mahogany in the 1900's, though there is is a true Mahogany in S. Florida which this is not.

Red Bay has a sweet smell and its leaves are used for spice, the same as the laurus nobilis. Unfortunately, a virus has entered the USA in the 1990's that is decimating the Red Bay. It may not be long before we have no Red Bays left. There is no cure. Link to the article
Below is a snip:
Foresters are reporting a rising death toll of native red bay trees (Persea borbonia) along the coast of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. The disease is spreading rapidly, say scientists.

Clemson University researchers and S.C. Forestry Commission personnel are collaborating with their colleagues in other states to try to solve this deadly problem.

“Currently, there is no cure or known control for the disease,” said Steve Jeffers, Clemson plant pathologist.

LeeB · « **Reply #39 on:** September 14, 2007, 02:54:51 am »

Thank you Tom. The only reason I managed to guess the sweet bay was from reading posts by you about it. I guess I confused the red bay with the laurel which I also remebered you mentioning and saying that the leaves were used for seasoning. I like to cook and knew that bay laural was used so i mistakenly crossed the two up.

Tom · « **Reply #40 on:** September 14, 2007, 03:00:34 am »

Well, it might pay to know them both. Laurus nobilis is sold as a nursery plant and I'm sure it can be found in the USA as well. Bays and magnolias are special Southern trees. It's kind of neat having something that not many others have, dontcha think?

LeeB · « **Reply #41 on:** September 14, 2007, 03:25:14 am »

That is surely true Tom, but I don't reckon a distinguished gentelman such as yourself needs an old tree to set him apart from the crowd. Thanks for the information. I will try to get it to stick in this vast empty cavern head of mine.
And a big thank you to all the rest of you dendro fellows for the education I get on this board. I just wish some of you were closer to me for a more intense study coarse.

WDH · « **Reply #42 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:03:23 pm »

OK. Here is another one. This is one Tom will surely love!

Tom · « **Reply #43 on:** September 14, 2007, 05:08:23 pm »

Uh Oh!

Ligustrum? Maybe a Privet?

WDH · « **Reply #44 on:** September 14, 2007, 07:46:37 pm »

Nope.

WDH · « **Reply #45 on:** October 20, 2007, 07:52:00 pm »

Surely you Southern Coastal members have seen this one?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #46 on:** October 20, 2007, 07:55:59 pm »

Is it related to willow ? The fruit sure looks it.

WDH · « **Reply #47 on:** October 20, 2007, 07:57:08 pm »

No. However, Swamp, this one grows in swamps

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SwampDonkey · « **Reply #48 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:02:04 pm »

Well........it's not a palm.......oh wait I take that back...I do see someone's palm.

Radar67 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:09:26 pm »

You mean we found one to stump the Donk?

WDH · « **Reply #50 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:15:01 pm »

In all fairness, it ain't indigenous to him

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SwampDonkey · « **Reply #51 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:29:51 pm »

Yeah, but I been around.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #52 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:40:02 pm »

Some type of capsule, puts it with the heaths...............

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #53 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:54:19 pm »

Quote from: WDH on September 14, 2007, 12:03:23 pm

OK. Here is another one. This is one Tom will surely love!

Well Tom?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #54 on:** October 20, 2007, 09:15:51 pm »

Harlow only has keys for the NE.

I still say it's in the willow family.

WDH · « **Reply #55 on:** October 20, 2007, 10:07:59 pm »

No so.

A clue........Small tree up to 30 feet tall, spreading crown, often forming dense, impenetrable thickets.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #56 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:35:48 am »

I'm just waiting to read the latin name so i can unleash my Salicaceae link on ya.

WDH · « **Reply #57 on:** October 21, 2007, 09:52:21 am »

Very salicacious of you

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Think about racemes.............specifically, as in epithet wise

. Those are some very very nice racemes

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SwampDonkey · « **Reply #58 on:** October 21, 2007, 01:19:21 pm »

Well we can rule out chokecherry.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #59 on:** October 21, 2007, 01:48:58 pm »

Well.........then......hmmm....must be.....

Leucothoë racemosa swamp sweetbells

WDH · « **Reply #60 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:45:45 pm »

Nope, not dog hobble. I was sure that Tom would know this one

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Radar67 · « **Reply #61 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:47:54 pm »

Seems to be a little cryptic, doesn't it Danny?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #62 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:49:53 pm »

I don't think it's even native.

WDH · « **Reply #63 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:52:27 pm »

Not to New Brunswick

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OK. the specific epithet is racemiflora. Racemes, you know

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SwampDonkey · « **Reply #64 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:56:43 pm »

Well if Tom ain't seen it down there, it don't exist.

I know, now were getting silly.

WDH · « **Reply #65 on:** October 21, 2007, 07:03:51 pm »

Oh, he has seen it for sure. We are going to have to get the Dodgy Loner back, if y'all don't shape up

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While we were at Moultrie, DanG called Dodgy. He was working on his Master's Thesis. His defense is only a few weeks away, so he is nose to the grindstone. Tying to stay away from the Forum because posts are like Lays Potato Chips.........you can't just read one

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SwampDonkey · « **Reply #66 on:** October 21, 2007, 07:36:05 pm »

I wish I was on that panel.

Well I'm hoping he does well, for sure.

But, in the meantime I found our little plant.

Swamp cyrilla Cyrilla racemiflora

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #67 on:** October 21, 2007, 07:45:30 pm »

You really have to study those Audubon pages real close to figure out some shrubs they have in there. The one picture they have of that plant looks like they wanted to show the thicket from far away instead of a closeup of leaves and flowers.

Even Dodgy will tell ya that book is not so great.

WDH · « **Reply #68 on:** October 21, 2007, 10:05:50 pm »

The pic on the Virginia Tech website is a good one. http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=409.

You did good, SD

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Tom · « **Reply #69 on:** October 21, 2007, 10:17:59 pm »

Doggone it, you answered it before I decided to. It's TiTi

http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/Titi/titi.htm

I've been looking all over the web for a picture of Ty Ty.

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Author Topic: Identifying Plants on Radar67's Place - WDH visits (Read 3692 times)