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Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper! Solved:Speckled Alder
« on: June 22, 2007, 08:38:04 pm »
This specimen was 20 feet tall and 9 inches (22 cm) at 3.2 feet (1.0 m) above ground level. That is a ~ 2 quart (2 litre) water jug hanging on the plant. The thing was growing roadside. It forked above the tape.



Here are some leaves and stem portion. Even a bud forming there so early in the growing season. These leaves came off another plant of the same species. It was difficult taking a clipping from the plant I cut it from because of all the adelgid (aphids covered in white fuzz) living on the stems and leaves.




This will be added to another popular thread later.  Any guesses? ;D
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2007, 08:53:51 pm »
Looks like a Canada Plum (Red Plum)  Prunus Nigra
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 09:24:38 pm »
The aphids threw ya off eh?  ;)

Nope not a plum.  ;D
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 09:45:26 pm »
Got a real strong Betulaceae feel about it..........
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2007, 09:48:23 pm »
I am thinking Beaked Hazel, Corylus cornuta ???
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 09:54:22 pm »
Your in the ball park WDH. No not beaked hazel. That would be a monster diameter for beaked hazel though.  ;D

Here are a couple more shots of the underside of the leaf. Ladder-like venation and pubescence can be seen.






Notice the leaves are rugose.  ;D

Hopefully, another clue tomorrow if I can get some micro photography.  ;)
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2007, 09:59:47 pm »
OK, I think I know what it is.  Never seen it myself though.  I need to pay you a visit to learn all the Eastern Canadian species that we southerners only read about in books......

I bet this one has a cone-like fruit.
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2007, 10:02:56 pm »
Inserted another tid bit under the picture of the leaves in the previous post. Do it for ya?  ;)
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2007, 10:05:35 pm »
American Basswood  Tilia americana
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2007, 10:14:34 pm »
Yes, I incana believed it was rugose :D :D :D :D ;D.  That is a plant that I would like to see.  But I would likely need my spectacles ::).  No need for spectacles with the quality of those pics ;D.

How in the heck do you take such fine quality close-up pics ???  I have not got that figured out yet.  That secondary venation is perfectly crisp and clear.  Look at that rugose-ness.  Perfect.  Good job. 

I'll hang back and let others noodle and ruminate a bit on this one  smiley_headscratch smiley_idea smiley_gossip
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2007, 10:18:45 pm »
Mooseherder ; Nope not basswood, think more birch-like. ;)


WDH  :D :D :D  Musta been all the fertilizer and good top soil that washed down off the neighboring potato field the last 60 years that helped this brute gain such girth.  ;D 8)
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 10:19:40 pm »
Here comes the shotgun approach. :D

American Elm   ulmus americana ;D
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 10:24:59 pm »
Now I got it!

Speckled Alder ;D
alnus rugosa ;)
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 10:30:59 pm »
Quote from: Mooseherder on June 22, 2007, 10:19:40 pm
Here comes the shotgun approach. :D


Where have I heard that before? :) :D :D


Yup, you got it Mooseherder. Ain't she a brute?  :D  ;D

I'm still gonna post my next clue/feature tomorrow. Get out your hand lenses and utility knives.  ;D
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2007, 10:43:58 pm »
I pulled out my Maine Forest service Trees of Maine Booklet.
Them DanG leaves looked about the same. Your last clue put me on it though. :D
Here is what it says.
Speckled Alder, alnus rugosa
Is very common, usually growing in wet situations along brooks, in swamps and in Pastures. It sprouts very readily and is a nuisance on pasture land.
Alder usually occurs as a shrub, rarely as a small tree. It is seldom more than 4 inches in diameter and 20 feet in height.
Yup, that one is a whopper. :)
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2007, 12:20:03 am »
Quote from: SwampDonkey on June 22, 2007, 10:30:59 pm
Get out your hand lenses and utility knives.  ;D

Hand lens.........Check!

Utility knife.......Check!

We be waiting ;D
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2007, 04:39:50 am »
I thought it was alder.Don't know all of the greek names.How about biscuit wood?I kinda like it when they grow along the ground 4-5 feet than start to grow up.I have cut a few of these.Never saw one that size.
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2007, 06:03:46 am »
It is an excellent nurse shrub for the natural succession of an abandoned pasture. Even though it is so cursed. I've seen some nice thickets of fir or spruce start in under them and on more moist sites a good crop of white ash will establish.  Helps fix nitrogen so it's a benefit to run out pasture land. 8)
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2007, 06:59:48 am »
I would have guessed Witch Hazel. Reid
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Re: Hmmm, I'll just say it's a whopper!
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2007, 04:57:45 pm »
Pith of speckled alder



A 3-point star. Scale in mm's.



Maybe a better picture? The wood is white when fresh cut, but quickly oxidizes to brown.
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