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Offline urbanlumberinc

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Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« on: June 19, 2007, 11:40:02 pm »
I was wondering if anyone out there is using a logosol ph260 to produce t&g flooring.  If so, do you think the machine does it well? 

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 04:11:27 pm »
If Arky sees your post he may have something to say (as if he ever has a lack of words ;D). I believe he is very happy with it last I remember, but I don't know if he is cutting flooring with it. Maybe PM him if he don't see this anytime soon.
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2007, 07:09:26 am »
I'm in hopes to produce native pine v match here next year, kiln dried, to sell commercially.  There is a lot of demand for it on the Cape in vacation homes.  The single phase PH260 is high on my list to get started, but I would love to see one in a production setting first.  Just can't afford (Or Power) a Weinig

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2007, 03:24:10 pm »
Craig - check out one of the models that Baker is selling too.  I look one over at Sawlex this year and was impressed.

I've owned a PH260, and I think that the Baker machine is a lot more machine for about the same $.

Check out the Woodmizer ones also.  A bit more pricy but a lot more machine.

Scott
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2007, 09:19:29 pm »
Thanks Scott, I'll take any suggestions that I can get.  I would love another trip to Baker anyhow  ;)

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 11:25:08 pm »
I have a PH260 single phase unit.  For the money it is a good machine and produces precision flooring.  The key is to ensure you have straight material going into the unit.  I pre-plane my flooring from 4/4 to 7/8" on the first pass S2S and 3/4" T & G on the second. 

I mostly produce V-match paneling (cedar and pine)and T & G flooring all hardwoods and my only issue I've had is the unit is a bit underpowered in the single phase model for hardwood if it was not sawn consistantly as far as it's thickness.  This is why I preplane material - especially if I didn't saw it!  Good Luck!!!!
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2007, 11:22:07 am »
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Craig - check out one of the models that Baker is selling too. I look one over at Sawlex this year and was impressed.

I've owned a PH260, and I think that the Baker machine is a lot more machine for about the same $.

Check out the Woodmizer ones also. A bit more pricy but a lot more machine.

Scott

I have been looking to buy a PH260 and I have also looked at the Baker machines. But Baker didn't seem to have much of a track recored of use, so I had dismissed it. So, Scott tell us more about what you saw of the Baker Moulder. What model? What are some differences between Baker and Logosols'? What are some reasons you would purchase a Baker over a PH260? Thank you for your help!! I love to hear from "real people".                      -Stephen
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2007, 08:22:06 pm »
Stephen,

Without a doubt Logosol makes a fine machine.  It is machined very precisely, and the quality of components and craftsmanship is held to a very high standard.  I do not want to take anything away from it in this regard.

My complaints with the unit are that it has a very small tolerance level for the stock that is fed into it, and that you have to run the stock through relatively slowly in order to obtain a high quality end product.  Most people that I know that use and like their Logosol's are pre-planing the wood.  The fellow that I traded mine to does as well.  To me, that is an additional labor and equipment expense that is not desireable.

The Baker unit is an imported machine (I think Taiwanese), but it is larger, heavier, and per the Baker folks has a higher dimensional tolerance for the raw lumber.  It appeared to run the stock through more quickly to me (achieving an acceptable level of quality).  That's what impressed me.  I don't think that they've had the line very long, but again the machine looks very solid.

At some point in the future I'm planning to buy another moulder.  If used, it will probably be either a 5 or 6 head Weinig, or if new I may look at one of the 5 head Woodmizer units.  I like the idea of the 5th head for either putting a relief into the flooring or as a pre-planing head.

Budget wise, I don't want to spend over 20K or so (and the less the better), and I'm after something that is relatively bulletproof and easy to use.

That's my 2 cents.

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2007, 11:44:35 pm »
...and if you know Scott as well as I do, his $0.02 is worth about $2000.  :)

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2007, 11:14:47 am »
Scott & Captain,

Intresting what 2 cents can do over time! I like the way you think!!! Thank you for sharing your experience. What a treasure! Keep the comments coming!

Stephen
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 02:08:12 pm »
I have a Baker M-412 Moulder. I think the Logosol is a fine machine. The Baker moulder can plane/mould 4 sided up to 12" the Logosol 10". The Baker has 7 1/2 hp motor on the top head verses 4 hp. The Baker has a powered bed withe electronic control to set the thickness. The Baker has a crome coated cast iron table and weighs 1400# verses 700#. If you saw the sample 10"pine paneling boards at Sawlex that was from me. That is one pass from rough to finished boards. There was also some flooring there from me.
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2007, 03:12:34 pm »
Stephen, glad to share my experiences - that's what makes the FF such a great place.

Louisianaredneck - welcome to the forum!  I saw your handiwork at Sawlex, and it looked real good!

Keep on posting!

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Tom's 3638D Baker band mill
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2007, 09:39:06 am »
The M-412 was first introduced in August at the IWF show last year.We have had excellent reviews from customers who have purchased them.There are a few differences between the Logosol and the Baker machine.Baker has larger motors on top and bottom cutter and is heavier as mentioned.It has the digital thickness keypad standard.It has the wider board capacity.The Baker has up to 3/4" depth of cut for moulding.It also comes standard with the infeed and outfeed tables.With the larger top and bottom motors it allows for a broader range of tolerance on the unfinished boards.I would be glad to try to answer any questions about the Baker M-412 machine.Lousianaredneck could probably do a better job than me on most questions.
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2007, 11:47:00 am »
Is there a huge price difference between the Logosol and the Baker 4 head planer?

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2007, 12:44:32 pm »
Louisianaredneck

It looks like you made a good choice in selecting the baker M412! Please tell us more about your decision making process. What thought prosseses you went through. Do you wish you had a larger or smaller unit?

Adam

Thank you for posting. You have always been professional, and conscientious. What is the current price on the M412 ?

Mike M

Last I saw on the Ph260 was $10,700. or so.


Hey guys, keep the posts coming! this is great!!
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2007, 02:08:25 pm »
The current price on the Baker M-412 is $13,500.00 . The machine comes set up to plane up to a 2" x 12" board. You can also purchase a pair of 4" tall cutterheads, or another pair of the 2" tall cutterheads and stack them, and plane up to a 4" x 12" peice. You can look at our website by clicking on Baker Products to the left of the screen and get all the specs on the machine.Or you can contact me at the number on the website and I would be happy to speak to you about the machine.If you would like I could even set one up if you wanted to visit our plant so you could see one run.I'll be glad to help out in any way I can.

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2007, 05:39:51 pm »
   scsmith42, thanks for the good words, I have been reading the posts on this site for over a year, about time I contribute something.

   I just want to say I don't work for any of the sponsors on this site just a satisfied customer of several of them.

  Adam is my contact at Baker.

  Lil Badger,  I made my decision like buying a truck, I dicided what I wanted to do and looked for a maching that would do it the most efficient (cost vs quality vs speed). I picked up a job that was s4s some 12" wide cypress. The other machines in my area could not do the job. Done 5750 bf in 2 days about 12 hrs total. The machine has plenty of power.

 
 
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2007, 05:45:31 pm »
 I picked  up a used ph260 to do flooring a week ago and have not got hooked up yet. I did not know about the Baker and was feeling blue till I seen the $13,500. Mine is a 2004 not a scratch on it and he only resharped blades twice cost was $8,500. I can feel better about that.

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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2007, 06:29:38 pm »
Yeah that's good bang for the buck Mike. I hope to get the Baker unit next year though.
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Re: Anyone using a ph260 for flooring?
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2007, 07:01:17 pm »
How big of a phase converter is needed for the Baker?