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Can you ID this? Solved, Oglethorpe Oak
« on: June 12, 2007, 06:13:58 pm »
Since Texas Ranger killed the fun a on my last plant ID thread sooner than I expected ;), I've got a tougher one that I'm pretty sure will take a little more time to solve (as long as WDH allows it) ;D.

First, the leaves:


I'll post a pic of the bark if no one gets it right by tomorrow night :).
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2007, 06:47:29 pm »
Rosebay?

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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2007, 06:56:41 pm »
Nope.  To give an idea of scale, the longest leaves are about 3 or 3.5" long.
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2007, 07:00:44 pm »
Thats Hardy's partner
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2007, 07:04:25 pm »
:D I figured someone would say that, but no, it's not a laurel oak.  Getting warmer, though.
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2007, 07:06:01 pm »
How about devilwood?

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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2007, 07:11:25 pm »
Getting cooler again ;).  Remember, devilwood has opposite leaf arrangement.  This specimen has alternate arrangement.
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2007, 07:13:45 pm »
Well i been calling them backwards. These threads are great.
Its a spinner bait eating tree. Expecialy the ones with the long skinny blades.
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2007, 07:19:28 pm »
No limbrat, the trees you were calling laurel oaks are almost certainly laurel oaks.  The foliage from the two trees is nearly identical, but this is a specimen of a much rarer species.  They don't frequent wet areas, so your spinner baits should be safe around them. ;D  I'll give you another hint: the acorns take only one year to mature on this tree.

BTW, the ones with the long, skinny blades are probably willow oaks.
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2007, 07:26:36 pm »
Live Oak
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2007, 07:40:02 pm »
Closer.  Live oak doesn't like to get its feet wet, and its acorns mature in 1 year, not 2.  But this one is much rarer than live oak.  Another hint: it was named after the location in which it was discovered.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2007, 07:51:33 pm »
Last guess, Arkansas Oak or commonly known as water oak.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2007, 08:03:43 pm »
Around here, water oak and Arkansas oak refer to two different species - Quercus nigra and Quercus arkansana.  That's not a bad guess - Arkansas oak is, indeed, very rare and restricted in its range.  But its leaves are typically obovate, ie. widest above the middle, and its acorns mature in 2 years.

Okay, last hint before I post the picture of the bark: those of you from Georgia and South Carolina are more likely to have seen (or heard of) this tree than anyone else.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2007, 08:10:37 pm »
According to the National Audubon Society's Field Guide to Trees, The acorns for Arkansas Oak mature the first year.

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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2007, 08:24:19 pm »
I'm sure that's not the only thing the Audubon guide is wrong about.  Check out this page.  It offers a much more detailed (and accurate) description of Arkansas oak.

Remember, two of the defining characteristics of red oaks are the bristle tips and the biennial acorns.  An oak with bristle tips and acorns that mature in one year would be quite the quagmire. :)
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2007, 08:48:23 pm »
Well is it shingle oak? I think we have pretty well exhausted all the willow oak family.  :D :D
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2007, 12:05:37 am »
Another good guess, but those leaves are a little too small to be shingle oak.  This is much rarer than shingle oak - I'd be surprised if you've even heard of it up there in the frozen tundra Canada.

You're right about one thing, though - consider the willow/water/laurel oak complex exhausted. ;)
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2007, 12:25:07 am »
I know but I ain't saying.  I have only ever seen it once.  The hint about the acorns is key :).
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2007, 04:27:51 am »
If your not gonna play fair then I ain't interested.  :D :D :D :D :D


Just kidding.  ;D
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Re: Can you ID this?
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2007, 04:37:25 am »
Well I got two more 'guesses' ya dodgy bugger.  :D :D

Bluejack Oak Q. incana

BUT I'm pretty sure it's......

Oglethorpe Oak Q. oglethorpensis named in 1940 for Oglethorpe County, Georgia, where it is most abundant. Named in honor of James E Oglethorpe, an English general and founder of the colony of Georgia.

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