Author Topic: what is this? (SOLVED: summer grape) (Read 1857 times)

Lanier_Lurker · « **on:** June 02, 2007, 08:58:45 am »

This thing is growing down by the lake. Anyone have a clue what it is?

Tom · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2007, 02:51:18 pm »

I know that leaf and can't get it out of the back of my head. At first I said Mallow, but I'm not sure bout that. Then, I decided that it might just be paper Mulberry. But, the attachment of the leaf is wrong.

Now I'm in the process of confusing myself and wonder, is it a vine, a bush, a tree?

Lanier_Lurker · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2007, 05:36:10 pm »

Good question.

I should have specified that in the original post.

I went back out and took a closer look and it is a vine. This one is all wrapped around a maple sapling. It even has the little prehensile wrappers to secure itself to small trees and limbs. Kinda like a grape or scuppernong.

Phorester · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2007, 10:17:43 am »

I think you got some kind of grapevine there.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2007, 12:45:43 pm »

Looks like grape to me as well.

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2007, 06:48:36 pm »

That's summer grape, Vitis aestivalis. And the maple it's growing on is a chalk maple, Acer leucoderme. Both species are pretty common around my neck of the woods.

WDH · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:56:11 pm »

DL,

How do you know that it is not Acer barbatum (Acer saccharum var. saccharum)? From the location/latitude?

Lanier_Lurker · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:57:48 pm »

Thanks for that ID, DL.

Those maples are to be the subject of a future post. I have some better pictures of them for you and WDH to examine. The lower understory behind my house is covered with them.

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2007, 01:02:52 pm »

Quote from: WDH on June 03, 2007, 07:56:11 pm

DL,

How do you know that it is not Acer barbatum (Acer saccharum var. saccharum)? From the location/latitude?

Notice that the terminal lobe is distinctly convergent (the sides point inward). The terminal lobe of Acer barbatum has sides that are divergent (pointing outward) or, occasionally, parallel. They will not point inward like the ones in that photo.

And I think you mean Acer saccharum var. floridanum. Acer saccharum var. saccharum is sugar maple, as you well know

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2007, 03:55:14 pm »

Yeah a bit south for sugar maple. But, I didn't realize until a few months ago, sometime in the winter, that there is a Florida variety. Came across it on the web accidentally, or it might have been the dendro book. Don't matter which, but this is good a reminder.

We have one other variety in the north, but not NB.

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2007, 03:59:41 pm »

SD, for the last month I've been wondering why someone from Nebraska would have a Canadian flag beside their name. It just recently occurred to me that you're probably from New Brunswick.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2007, 04:07:18 pm »

Well we are known to be a sneaky bunch. Sometimes we can hind behind abbreviations and sneak by as well.

WDH · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:18:40 pm »

Also, shouldn't A. leucoderme has a white blush on the underside of the leaf? I had one chalk maple on my property but it was inadvertantly hacked and squirted

. I think the bark is a little different too if I recall. But, none of that was visible in that sneaky Lanier Lurker's pic.

Thanks for the convergent/divergent tip (no pun intended). I did not know that.

WDH · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:24:20 pm »

Swamp Donkey,

Dodgy Loner knows his trees, but he needs a tutorial on what the Canadian flag looks like

.

Nebraska

. Dodgy Loner has been looking at too many trees

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WDH · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:39:49 pm »

I guess in retrospect, the blush on the underside of chalk maple is more yellowish green than white..........................

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #15 on:** June 05, 2007, 01:15:27 pm »

I was thrown off by the "Centreville, NB" below his name...of course, I should have known that no red-blooded American would live in a town that spells center with and "re" instead of an "er" on the end.

Chalk maple has a very soft, fuzzy pubescence on the underside of the leaves, as opposed to the bluish glaucous coating of Florida maple. Florida maple is often a medium-sized tree, 60-80 feet tall and single-stemmed, while chalk maple is an understory tree, rarely exeeding 30 or 40 feet in height, and often multi-stemmed. I've found that the bark characteristics integrade between the two species, although old specimens of chalk maple often have black bark, while Florida maples remain gray and flaky.

WDH · « **Reply #16 on:** June 05, 2007, 08:31:56 pm »

Seems like the birds like to peck the chalk maple.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2007, 06:02:38 am »

The sap sucker seems to like my Japanese larch and red pine. I've written off the larch.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2007, 06:20:50 am »

Quote from: Dodgy Loner on June 05, 2007, 01:15:27 pm

I was thrown off by the "Centreville, NB" below his name...of course, I should have known that no red-blooded American would live in a town that spells center with and "re" instead of an "er" on the end.

pronounced Contra-ville, only thing odd is this was never a French settlement. Only English, Irish and Scots. Even the river Presque Isle was never pronounced or written that way in the old texts. It was and still is pronounced Pres t'ile by the locals. The old land grant map called it Presquile, even different again. It was named that because of the two islands at the mouth of the river, situated in the Saint John River.

Here is part of one of the islands

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2007, 02:21:45 pm »

Contra-ville, huh? I wouldn't have guessed that...but most people don't have a clue how to pronounce my town's name, either. I actually live in the town of Colbert, not in the city of Athens. It's pronounced CALL-bert, not CULL-bert or cull-BEHR.

Tom · « **Reply #20 on:** June 06, 2007, 02:48:19 pm »

I knew that!

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #21 on:** June 06, 2007, 03:05:00 pm »

I'll be even more impressed if can honestly say that you've actually been there!

Tom · « **Reply #22 on:** June 06, 2007, 03:11:09 pm »

Yes, I have.

Mr. Elder's Motorcycle shop was on the east side of Athens on, what I think he called occassionally, The Colbert Highway.

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #23 on:** June 06, 2007, 03:21:52 pm »

Hmmm...Sounds like you're a fellow UGA grad. Am I right?

Tom · « **Reply #24 on:** June 06, 2007, 03:36:24 pm »

click on my profile. Leave the top and listen to the bark to get to the root of the ID.

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #25 on:** June 06, 2007, 05:06:59 pm »

Well, hunker down, you hairy dawg!

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #26 on:** June 06, 2007, 06:04:58 pm »

The 'C' is pronounced as an 'S'. I don't want to end up in Guantonamo Bay (sp).

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #27 on:** June 06, 2007, 06:10:51 pm »

So it's pronounced Sontra-ville, then?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #28 on:** June 06, 2007, 06:20:29 pm »

If your French, Yes.

For us locals, no. We pronounce it Centerville.

WDH · « **Reply #29 on:** June 06, 2007, 09:47:32 pm »

Quote from: Dodgy Loner on June 06, 2007, 05:06:59 pm

Well, hunker down, you hairy dawg!

We are growing in strength. Pretty soon, to counter the Wisconsin Chapter, we will have the "Hairy Dog" Chapter............Sic em'

.

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #30 on:** June 07, 2007, 12:27:24 am »

I wish there was an 'Uga' smiley to express my excitement!

solodan · « **Reply #31 on:** June 07, 2007, 12:48:06 am »

I live in Sugar Pine. It's pronounced 'shu-g&r 'pIn

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #32 on:** June 07, 2007, 05:19:33 am »

Actually, I don't live in Centreville. I'm 5 miles out of town. But, if I said it was Royalton that I lived you might not find it on the map. But, I must say I'm impressed with MS Streets and Maps who have it labeled as well as the old farmers cross roads that never are plowed in winter.

To be exact, I live on the end of one of those cross roads, aptly named the "Crawford Road". Although to be exact , technically and such, I live on the Royalton Road with a "million dollar view", as dad puts it.

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Author Topic: what is this? (SOLVED: summer grape) (Read 1857 times)