Author Topic: Solved!!!!!!....Gum Bumelia. What is This? (Read 2377 times)

WDH · « **on:** April 19, 2007, 02:36:47 pm »

Found in Texas courtesy of Tcsmpsi, but is generally widespread.

Whatisit?

Radar67 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2007, 03:47:29 pm »

Is it Buckthorn?

Stew

Texas Ranger · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2007, 05:11:14 pm »

Tight eye, titi?

WDH · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2007, 06:14:58 pm »

Negatory on both accounts. Here is another clue...........It sometimes has thorns on the branches, sorta like a plum (but it is not a fruit tree so any type so don't go there). Also, the leaves feel real velvety.

Radar67 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2007, 06:25:58 pm »

Okay, is it in the oak family, maybe a live oak? I'm learning as I go here, and it is fun.

Stew

WDH · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:18:46 pm »

Nope, not an oak. Some more pics. Here is one of the thorns.

Two more clues:

1). The flowers are axillary. That is, the flowers form in little clusters at the base of each leaf stalk (petiole).

2). Some of the older growth has short shoots. These are very small very short little branches from which the leaves occur in a whorled or twirling (that is NOT a botanical term) cluster.

I have only one clue left

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Axillary (associated with the leaf petiole) flowers:

This photo shows axillary flowers as well as the short shoot whorls:

Note the 3 leaves in a cluster on the left side of the photo that all originate from the same point on the stem. That is a short shoot whorl.

Radar67 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 19, 2007, 10:27:54 pm »

I'll give someone else a chance, the only other thing close in my ID Book is Hopps.

Stew

WDH · « **Reply #7 on:** April 19, 2007, 11:49:38 pm »

Last clue (probably won't help much.........sorry).

The bark:

solodan · « **Reply #8 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:14:14 am »

I am gonna take a wild guess. Lets see, thorns and flowers at base of the leaf.... I know I can't be right cause Radar 67 is in Mississippi and the state flower there is the tree I was thinking.....could it be Magnolia

WDH · « **Reply #9 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:40:02 am »

Nope. I guess y'all will have to sleep on it.................................

Weekend_Sawyer · « **Reply #10 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:36:10 am »

Is it a tupelo? that bark kinda looks like it. I have some large ones that are all den trees.

Jon

WDH · « **Reply #11 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:15:04 am »

Jon,

You are warmer than anyone else, but sill pretty cold. The bark does look like tupelo, but it is not tupelo or black gum because they do not have thorns and axillary flowers. If y'all don't get it by Sunday, I try to come up with more clues.

I will say this. Like tupelo and black gum, the fruit is a blue/black drupe about the size of a marble ( a drupe is a fruit with a hard stone-like seed like a cherry).

flip · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:49:45 am »

Locust?

Texas Ranger · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:22:56 am »

Let's see, there are some 1700 sub species of this plant, a large number of which, perhaps a majority, of the supposed species are 'asexual apomictic triploids'.

How's them apples, Dan? Do I win the roses?

DanG · « **Reply #14 on:** April 20, 2007, 01:58:56 pm »

TR, ain't nobody gonna send no roses to an old crab like you.

Texas Ranger · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:32:15 pm »

Crab apples, maybe? If I'm right on the plants, one of em makes real good wine and jelly.

Tom · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:59:55 pm »

You "may" be right and you "may" be wrong, but Haw!, you are going to be a thorn in WDH's side.

Bro. Noble · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2007, 04:51:05 pm »

Tom, What are you trying to tell us? You think that's one of 'gum bemelia's ' relatives?

Tom · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2007, 05:16:40 pm »

I don't know what it is, Br'er Noble. What I think it is it ain't, What I thought it were, it tweren't. the leaves leave me questioning. Are they smooth or serrated? I've nailed it down to as many things as there are in the book. That bulemic what'cha-ma-callit, I never heard of, A hawthorn has different leaves, Olive leaves questions, Ogeechee tupelo just ain't quite right. One thing is for sure, WDH is right. The bark didn't help a bit.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:12:56 pm »

Looks like Indian-cherry (yellowwood), a species of buckthorn. Rhamus caroliniana

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Author Topic: Solved!!!!!!....Gum Bumelia. What is This? (Read 2377 times)