Author Topic: The most successfully introduced North American tree species in Bulgaria. (Read 5739 times)

tonich · « **on:** March 07, 2007, 12:34:16 pm »

Hey Everyone,
I’m starting a thread for the most successfully introduced North American tree species in Bulgaria.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2007, 12:35:35 pm »

So, where are the photos?

tonich · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2007, 12:44:39 pm »

Quote from: SwampDonkey on March 07, 2007, 12:35:35 pm

So, where are the photos?

No photos! Sorry! I don’t have my own photo.

Oooops! Wrong section! What a start!

SD,Would you please move the topic to section “Forestry and logging”!

Thanks!

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2007, 12:55:36 pm »

How are we going to 'talk shop' with no photos?

$:-\$

tonich · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2007, 01:05:01 pm »

Listen up, SD!
I’m unable to travel to the nearest Red Oak plantation, to make pictures. It is as 200 km. away from the place I live.

So I’ll tell you what I know so far.
I believe, it is not very disappointing for you!
It shouldn’t be, since you are a DVD ahead.

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Speaking in a different topic about red oak ID, suggested to tell you the story about the Northern Red Oak (Quercus rubra) in Bulgaria.

It was introduced over a century ago. At first as a park tree, but then for forestry needs. Nowadays there are many pure and mixed artificial plantations. Two years old seedlings are used on planting. The planting pattern is 2.0 x 2.5 m. Mixtures are of combinations of local oaks (refer to my profile!), Limes (NOT a citrus lime, SwampDonkey!

) or/and Austrian Pine. As most suitable provenances for the local needs are claimed the ones from Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York. There are even regions here, where Red Oak is established and fully naturalized. Grow successfully, capable of self-regeneration and sustainable to local insects and disease. Red Oak stands are regenerated with shelterwood system mainly, which gives reasonable results for the time being. Age rotation is 100 years.
Comparing to local oaks, it grows faster, frutescence more often and is sustainable to atmospheric pollution. It is relatively more frost resistant, but still a bit light demanding and requires more fertilized soil. Develops flatroot, doesn’t like soil overwetting and not a calciphyte (comparing to Q. Cerris for instance). Its wood is a bit lighter and a les valuable than local oaks’ one. Overall it is considered a valuable introduced species. My personal vote is very positive.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2007, 01:20:08 pm »

Hey!! It wasn't me claiming to grow citrus lime. I was just the myth buster.

Why do you call it lime? because it likes lime soils?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2007, 01:34:57 pm »

I heard train rides are not so expensive in Bulgaria. Maybe, we can have some photos later from your up coming trip 200 km from home?

tonich · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2007, 01:57:47 pm »

Quote from: SwampDonkey on March 07, 2007, 01:20:08 pm

Why do you call it lime? because it likes lime soils?

I really don’t know.
Maybe. Might someone else from Europe tell us.
But generally Lime = Tilia

Check this out!

Your English is better, than mine.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2007, 02:01:09 pm »

I've been limed.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2007, 02:03:17 pm »

Getting back to red oak, have you any planted in the yard?

leweee · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2007, 02:15:22 pm »

Swampy
Tilia X Europera L = Lime=European Basswood

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2007, 03:13:56 pm »

leweee · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2007, 03:25:36 pm »

Is that you or me

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2007, 03:30:48 pm »

Well, I know where I'm at....err maybe not. $:-\$

leweee · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2007, 03:54:02 pm »

And I thought foresters Know all the Latin & common names.

Don P · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2007, 04:39:32 pm »

Sure, the european lymewood carvers. Lime =linden=basswood I believe. I think alot of old icons and relief carvings were lime.

We've got northern red oak here in VA. One of my favorite woods. Our cabinets and trims are all red oak from off the property. I never thought that it might mean northern hemisphere

treebucker · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2007, 06:45:41 pm »

Quote from: tonich on March 07, 2007, 01:05:01 pm

Develops flatroot

I'm not familiar with that one. Do you have a definition?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:42:57 pm »

I know the definition in relation to more shade tolerant, but suppressed mid canopy trees. They develop a flat top because of dominant over story trees keep whipping the leader, so the lateral branches grow horizontal to reach for more light. Develops a flat top.

Not sure of the context that Toni is describing unless it's due to elevation or high winds on the hill sides/mountains.

WDH · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:53:39 pm »

OK tonich, I am ignorant as to which introduced North American tree species is the most successful in Bulgaria!. I must be Quercus rubra

.

Right? The Tilias are not introduced, right?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:02:17 pm »

Quote from: Don P on March 07, 2007, 04:39:32 pm

Sure, the european lymewood carvers. Lime =linden=basswood I believe. I think alot of old icons and relief carvings were lime.

Dang ~~limies~~ Brits.

WDH · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:14:00 pm »

Ed_K · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:38:24 pm »

? for all you foresters. Whats flat root? an don't tell me thats where i ran em over wit da skidder

.

WDH · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:44:22 pm »

In Bulgarian, "flatroot = taproot" in english (maybe???)

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2007, 09:34:45 pm »

Oh flat root....hmmm how did i read that as flat top?

Hmm, I'm sure we'll soon have an answer from Bulgaria.

I'm guessing he's referring to deep spreading lateral rooting behavior on their soils. On wetter, finer (clay) soils, I would think the tap root would be more suppressed. Any red oak I've tried to dig up that was more than 8 years old, had a root clean to China.

tonich · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:18:30 am »

Wow!
I can see, you’re having fun around!?

Right!?
Keep going, then!

Answers (in other of appearance):
@SwampDonkey:
No, I don’t have planted trees in the yard. As you see, there is no room for it:

The terrain is so steep, that I have to remove the house in other to plant trees around.

tonich · « **Reply #25 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:21:31 am »

@ WDH:

Quote

Lime is an important oak spouse here. Up to 10 – 15 % of composition is a very desired amount. There are even some unmixed basswood low-pole woods, but those are secondary stands, more a product of human activity, than a natural factor.

The following Limes are natively spread in Bulgaria:

Small-leaved Lime
Large-leaved Lime
Silver Lime

tonich · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:49:12 am »

@All:

Flatroot = horizontal root
This is when the central root is not developed enough and balanced by the side branch roots. This is typical for the Spruce family. It is a weak point for Norway Spruce and creates management issues. Thus, this is considered an importing silvicultural factor, especially on steep slopes.

Comparing to local oaks, the root system appears less deep, and even more horizontal. There’s been a study on some Red Oaks windfalls here and this is the conclusion. As stated, this could due to some typical soil conditions here. Good guess, Swamp!

I do apologies for not been clear enough! I guess, this is what they call “Language Barrier”

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #27 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:57:47 am »

We'll figure it out.

WDH · « **Reply #28 on:** March 08, 2007, 10:05:53 pm »

Thanks for clearing up my ignorance tonich

. I am more educated now...........

treebucker · « **Reply #29 on:** March 08, 2007, 10:50:56 pm »

Quote from: tonich on March 08, 2007, 06:49:12 am

I do apologies for not been clear enough! I guess, this is what they call “Language Barrier”

I think you are doing fine with your communication. We have more trouble understanding the native English-speakers among us than we do you.

Especially the ones from Kentucky.

BTW- I like your house but but I am confused about how you mow the lawn. Does your lawnmower have wings

tonich · « **Reply #30 on:** March 09, 2007, 01:26:46 pm »

Quote from: WDH on March 08, 2007, 10:05:53 pm

Thanks for clearing up my ignorance tonich . I am more educated now...........

Quote from: treebucker on March 08, 2007, 10:50:56 pm

BTW- I like your house but I am confused about how you mow the lawn. Does your lawnmower have wings???

That’s right!
I used to have my own ones.
Once!

WDH · « **Reply #31 on:** March 09, 2007, 09:54:06 pm »

Did you lose your wings once you got into Forestry

tonich · « **Reply #32 on:** March 10, 2007, 09:50:09 am »

Quote from: WDH on March 09, 2007, 09:54:06 pm

Did you lose your wings once you got into Forestry

Exactly!
Can you ever imagine, flying with those big wings in those complete woods?

Tom · « **Reply #33 on:** March 10, 2007, 10:15:35 am »

How much is a train ticket from the maritimes to Bulgaria?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #34 on:** March 10, 2007, 12:43:23 pm »

See Toni? They are already trying to get rid of me.

WDH · « **Reply #35 on:** March 10, 2007, 11:16:01 pm »

Hey, you know, foresters with wings flock together

.

tonich · « **Reply #36 on:** March 11, 2007, 02:42:25 pm »

Quote from: WDH on March 10, 2007, 11:16:01 pm

Hey, you know, foresters with wings flock together .

Hm!
If you, all the forester from North America flock together to our little Bulgaria, it might cause a huge cyclone over here, because of wing’s vibration. That will seem to change the climate for a while. Could lead to a forest succession and end up to a brand new forest flora, composed by:

black spruce
white spruce
red spruce
balsam fir
white pine
red pine
hemlock
northern white cedar
tamarack
canada yew
trembling aspen
large toothed aspen
balsam poplar
white birch
yellow birch
gray birch
american elm
butternut
black walnut
white ash
black ash
ironwood
sugar maple
red maple
striped maple
mountain maple
black cherry
pin cherry
choke cherry
scarlet oak
beaked hazel
dogwood
fly honeysuckle
bush honeysuckle
red berried elder
high bush cranberry
speckled alder

and similar…

Perhaps, I should consider finding a new job then…
...…meanwhile, hiring a American/Canadian guy to look after my woodlots…

_________

Tom,
There is no direct train from Florida to Bulgaria.
Luckily, there are direct buses every hour. You could catch the first one, leaving. PM me two months later to receive you, straight at the local bus station!

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #37 on:** March 11, 2007, 03:15:55 pm »

Don't forget basswood, bur oak, red oak, silver maple and green ash.

tonich · « **Reply #38 on:** March 12, 2007, 11:35:27 am »

Addition:
The introduction is claimed to be in 1902-1903. Over 12000 hectares are the Red Oak plantations, created in Bulgaria. The oldest one is in the central park in Sofia, created back in 1908 (this is where I had my practical exercises, when I used to study in The Forestry University). The seeds, collected from this plantation laid the beginning of seedling production and planting many crops. They are mostly in the flat countryside.

PS. Swamp, still no pictures. Sorry!

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #39 on:** March 12, 2007, 11:50:11 am »

You know the rules.

No pictures? Didn't happen.

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Author Topic: The most successfully introduced North American tree species in Bulgaria. (Read 5739 times)