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Author Topic: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24  (Read 33428 times)

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TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« on: September 26, 2006, 01:42:07 pm »
Any ideas about how this all sizes up? I was hoping for some expert opinions.  These mills would be used on maple, redwood, Douglas-fir, walnut, and Pacific madrone.

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2006, 02:06:27 pm »
You are dealing with two very dependable companies who have plenty of experience in the manufacturing of sawmills and the need to provide customer support.

The 1220 has been a  staple of the small mills for several years.  It is a proven product. 
The LT15 is also a proven product that has been around for awhile.
You will find that Norwood's little mill falls in this catagory as well.

All three of these mills use, pretty much, the same techniques for sawing a log and are comparable in their abilities.

The LT10 was created as a light duty hobby mill and isn't even being marketed as a replacement for the LT15.


What it all boils down to is this.

You are spinning the same blade on each mill with comparable horsepower.  It's the blade that does the cutting.  All other things being equal, there is no difference in these mills.

The difference, you will find, comes in your relationship with the company.  Talk with them like you are making a life-long friend.  It's their attitude and reponse to your problems that will make the biggest selling point.   Check on prices of wear and tear parts and the availability you have of getting some of these over-the-counter in your home town.  You are really buying the company when you compare these little mills.
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2006, 03:03:23 pm »
what about the rigidity of the frames on these sawmills? I recently saw a sawmill that I did not see a brand name on, it was red, that used angle iron frame and guides for the saw.  It flexed as he set it up and ran the saw.  I do not want that.

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2006, 03:12:59 pm »
With any "built-on-the-ground" mill, you will have to provide a level and stable underpinning.

Most logs are too heavy to depend on just the steel in the frame of any mill.  Larger mills have legs for supports or rest on foundations of large timbers.  These little mills are no different.

I know what you are talking about when you speak of  rigidity.  I've seen a red saw, such as you describe, that was shaking like the leaf of a  Quaking Aspen.  Yes, I wouldn't want to depend on that kind of engineering for my saw either. 

The saws that you are looking at are well engineered and those who have them are happy, almost to a fault.   You will find that their biggest complaint is that they developed into an operation that made them wish that they had purchased a saw with more log handling capabilities, not one with more steel.
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 05:33:27 pm »
I have not run any of the mills that you mention, but I have researched them in my own quest for a mill. 

Personally, I found the Norwood 24 and the LT 10 to be too small for my particular needs.  The 1220 and the LT15 were serious contenders, as well as the Baker in that size range.  In fact, the Baker with the trailer set up was pushing my buttons pretty hard.

I ended up going with a nearby (100 mi) mfr with a working trailer set up which has many similarities and some distinguishing differences to the other serious contenders on my list.  I'm as tickled as if I had good sense.  As I would have been with the others. 

Way on off down here where I am, shipping or going to pick up those others would have been a significant addition to the overall price.

Certainly, a mind-wrenching decision in any event.
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 06:32:31 pm »
How big are your logs? The species you mention sound like West coast ones, and could be bigger than the little bandmills can handle easily.
Have you thought about a swingblade? The log isn't supported by the mill at all and doesn't need to be turned as you saw it. Might cost a little more, but a much more capable mill with the bigger logs.

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 09:15:29 pm »
I have thought of the swingblades, but I also like the ability to make some of the slabes the bandmills can do.  I have a lot of variability in the log and have used a large Alaska mill to reduce the sizes in the past to handle when I was having my wood milled by a contractor.

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 09:25:44 pm »
Hey 333!

There's a Peterson complete with a dedicated slabber on Sawmill Exchange
right now, located in California.  The price seems right.   A dedicated Peterson
slabber and a swinger head, too.   If I was closer, (like you are) I would be
tempted to have the very best of both worlds.

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2011, 03:19:47 pm »
As all have said you're looking at good mills from good companies. One thing that comes into play on big logs is size of cut throat. The 1220 does have a wider and taller cut throat than most of our competitors, including the Woodmizer. Those who know me know I am a little biased toward TimberKing  :D  but since this is a simple, objective fact about the mills I hope this doesn't seem I'm running anybody else down. Just trying to point out what I think are TK advantages. There are a lot more -- I feel! -- but this one seems to get at the heart of this conversation.

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2011, 06:46:58 pm »
i am a little biased too
when i was comparing these same mills about 3 years ago, for about the same price you could buy an ez bordwalk(also a sponsor here) mdl 40 for about the same money. that is the same money as the basic wm lt15, tk 1220 and norwood. oh and the ez boardwalk comes ready to cut up to 16' with a 6'' chanel iron frame and comes ready to saw, no assembly required. those are good mills and i hear they have great support after the sale but it is hard for me to imagine anyone being more helpful than the folks at ez boardwalk.   36'' cut also. 
i am real happy with my mill. pc
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 07:33:45 pm »
As Tom mentioned you should look at more than just the mill itself as you would most likely be happy with any one of the three mills you're considering.  When I was shopping for a new mill last year I narrowed my choices down to the same three you mention.  I was really impressed with the construction of the Timber King.  The Wood Mizer also seemed like a very well built machine that was built "tough enough" to last.  The Norwood fell short in my opinion.  I just couldn't get the thought of Swiss cheese out of my head when looking at the frame.  So my choice was narrowed down to two.  Then I actually went and saw a few mills.  I'm really glad I did because I realized that the LT15 or TK1220 would require a whole lot of back breaking bending over unless equipped with a trailer package.  So once I looked at the additional cost of a trailer package I decided on neither the LT15 or the 1220.  I went with the LT28.  The logs and boards are all right at waist height so it doesn't stress my back as much bending over plus I got more Hp... which I'm not sure you can ever have enough of!  :D   Trailering the mill and moving from job to job is a piece of cake.  I keep the mill inside my garage and hook up to it with the truck whenever I want to go to the farm and saw or go to a customer's place and saw. 
The WoodMizer has been great.   The manual, instruction from the sales people and packet of information included is very impressive and extremely helpful. 
I recently purchased a Woodmaster 718 Planer/Molder which is built by the same company/people as the Timber King mills.  Everyone that I have spoken with at that company has been fantastic.  A tremendous amount of help and a pleasure to talk with. 

If I had it to do over again....  I'd buy a hydraulic machine and I think I'd lean towards the Timber King 1600....  I don't know... maybe I'm ready for a trade-in.   :D 
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 08:12:08 pm »
 All I can say is I have owned a TK1220 mill for a little over 8 years now and have been very pleased with the mill and support from Timber King, I have never seen a Woodmizer LT 10/15 so I can not say which one is better. I think it falls into the same category as cars, some people like Chevys, some like Fords or Dodges, From what I have read I have never heard any complaints of either mill

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 09:22:26 pm »
   Excellent advice you are getting here. Any discussion such as this should not be complete without mentioning Cooks saw Mfg. I think the MP-32 is comparable to the other saws you're concidering, and they are great to work with even if you don't own one of their saws.  They too are a sponsor here and are definitely worth a look.

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 10:02:23 pm »
Did anyone notice that the original question is going on half a decade old?
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2011, 12:13:31 am »
   ummm...well... hmmm. I wonder what the OP wound up buying?
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2011, 01:51:44 am »
Did anyone notice that the original question is going on half a decade old?

DanG it!!!  I was really enjoying this thread  :)

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2011, 04:20:37 am »
i am likeing it also because this is what i am going threw right now but i'm thinking of spending the extra up front on a hyd. unit insted of tradeing in a year or two (WM LT35 HD) anybody have any thought on this mill
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2011, 08:23:50 am »
i saw that mill at the farm show last fall and it looks to work well.

i think we need a forum member to buy one so we can get an ''owner review''.  pc
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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2011, 04:51:42 pm »
I have personally used both the WM LT15 (a friends) and then we bought a TK1220.  They are both fine mills, I preferred the rigidity of the TK1220.  Both of them left a bit to be desired on log dogging and clamping, but I would give TK a slight advantage on the clamps, and WMLT15 advantage on the stops.  Also, TK uses some kind of couter-balance on the raising/lowering which makes it much faster and easier than the LT15.  That's pretty important when you get to the last board and spend 5 minutes cranking away.  The LT15 has much better blade guides than the silly bearings that were on our 1220.  Also, I can't remember if it has a lock or not, but the outboard vertical post on the LT15 doesn't actually support the end of the head directly.  This led to a little wobble when cutting wider slabs. 

I'm probably biased, but for the same money (which I note they are) I'd go with the TK.  We've since sold the 1220 and moved up to a B-20, whole different world.

With any of the manual mills, it's a LOT of work, but they should all produce useable lumber (I know for a fact that the LT15 and 1220 certainly can).

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Re: TimberKing 1220 vs. WoodMizer LT10/15 vs. Norwood 24
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2011, 08:54:24 pm »
The LT15 up down system was changed in 2004 E4 revision. On the LT15G15 the saw head moves 4 " on one rotation of the set handle. The larger engines G25 or D10 the saw head moves 2" per rotation. Each notch on the set handle moves the head 1/16".
The clamps have went through about 4 or 5 redesign changes. The redesigned clamps fill all previous models.
The frame on the LT15 is a tube frame and is tough.

The LT10 is a good value for the price. I think there is a post here on the FF from a new LT10 owner. That represents the LT10 well.

The LT15 has many options that can be added. Trailer ( Go) OP pack ( ramps, Taper wedge cant hook), Shingle and Lap sider attachment, Lathe, Resaw, Power feed, Loading assist kit and extensions for the bed. The Go Trailer even has a loading winch.

I hope this answered the question for WM.
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