Has anyone heard of this stuff.......?

[Nudgewood]

Kevjay wrote:
"and nudgewood is AWOL."

So you think I'm awol hey? Is that "A Welly Odd Looser", or "Another Wuz Out Logging", or maybe "A Wanabe Outa Luck"? Hehe... I'll have to ask the Missus what other ones she can come up with. Or maybe not; my ego might not hold up!

I actually just returned from WVA last night (would still have been there if the weather was better) where we only have a cabin and so no internet. Anywho, here's what's going on in my bucket so far:

My little experiment is a bit different to that of Fc_PineKnot's in that I am primarily interested in whether or not this stuff is capable of protecting wood underground. I have a lot of pine (in VA) that I'm busy harvesting before it all dies and thin stuff and tops are just going to waste as selling it for pulp isn't worth my time. The idea is to treat that wood to market as grape trellises, fencing posts or poles for pole construction. Hence my preoccupation with what will happen underground. I also don't want to wait three to five years to see results so I have very thin stakes in a closed container sitting above my hot-water geyser, like an incubator.
So far, about half the sample stakes have some mould discoloration, which is discouraging, BUT, what's encouraging is that the untreated Control stakes have much more mold than the others (except for one of the CedarTreat stakes) and it's a different type of mould than that on the treated ones (treated stakes showing mould have gray blotches and a seperate, fuzzy, white growth, the control stakes have (much heavier) blueish-gray blotches and streaks that have turned a rusty yellow along the edges of the infection plus, where they enter the soil there's a wet, black area much like you see in rotting wood and on the underside of leaf litter, like compost.)

One problem I thought of is that it's getting no sunlight, so maybe I'll put a bulb in there sometime, or start another bucket going in the spring.

So... that's my spiel. Now you can "Attack WithOut Laughing".

%<

[beenthere]

Nudgewood
That is a pretty good controlled test. Similar to the USFS stake tests and soil block tests that are used to evalutate treatments.
I hope you have weights of each stake, as weight loss is a real good indicator of decay. Strength tests are another, along with the visuals that you are doing.
Good to hear you are back. 

[TexasTimbers]

Typically we don't attack each other here Nudgewood.
I have a twisted sense of humor that can rub folks the wrong way sometimes; a knack for being misinterpreted you might say.
I was making an observation that I had just discovered a great thread that seemed like it might go dormant.

Of course I should know by now good threads never die, they just sometimes take a little rest.
Thanks for sharing your test.

I Always Was Overtly Looney

[Nate Surveyor]

I'm intensely intrested in the outcome of your tests.

I have kids, and need to build a deck, that is NON TOXIC to children.

Nate

[beenthere]

Nate
I think ya got the wrong impression of what is toxic about treated deck wood.  I don't mean to say ya can't just believe what ya want, but the treatments are chemically bound up in the wood, and I don't think anyone could eat enough deck planking in a lifetime to notice any effects (but that's just from what I know and think).
It's the names of chemicals that provide the fear and the hype about being toxic. Not the practical side and the numerous tests that indicate no problem, but the media fear that wants to be extended to control our lives (and it works well for them, as the treating companies just opt to not fight it. So they turn to less effective treatments that have more friendly names of chemicals other than arsenic).
Think what ya want der. 

 

[Nate Surveyor]

Thanks Mr. Been There.

You are probably right.

OK, so it comes down to cost.

Is this stuff cost effective?

Well, from what I read above, maybe not.

I'd sure like to build a house complete. The only things bought being the plumbing, wiring, and a few light fixtures.

Mill and treat the deck, and the shingles too.

O well, just a fantasy.

Nate

[FC_PineKnot]

Hey Nudgewood and Boardwalker - how about an update on your Cedartreat usage?

Still no significant changes on my flooring so far - maybe a little shrinkage, but not very much.  It's been about 4 months now and it seems to be holding up well.  No splits, warping or cupping.  But that hot Mississippi summer sun hasn't gotten here yet!

[Nudgewood]

I recently moved my bucket-o-slime out into the sun. All the stakes are still firm although showing signs of mould. In fact the mould is eating away the masking tape tags so I've had to color code them with paint. As I'm really only interested in how well they hold up below ground it'll be a while still before I have quantifyable results; even if all the untreated stakes rot off I will still need to continue with the treated ones to see how much longer they last. Don't fret, you'll hear from me whenever there's something to report.

I have also put some old 1 X 3/4 pine stickers, treated and untreated, in the ground as tomato stakes about a week ago.

%<

[Radar67]

How are the experiments coming?

Stew

[twobears]

 i thought i,de bring this to the top.

 delbert

[sgtmaconga]

I'm glad you did. Can we get an update?

[SwampDonkey]

Been over two years since the last bump. I think more than this thread has gone dormant, maybe some of the contributors as well. Any signs of life out there?

[Robcarl]

Judging by the petering out of discussion and the disappearance of FC_Top Knot, this may be an exercise in futility BUT...

I'd love to know what happened to that deck in the past couple years.  I've been searching for any kind of real life experience with CedarShield.  I've used it several times this year but I end up coating it so it's hard to tell whether the hype has some basis or is just hot air.  My immediate use is for dimensional stability on an exterior application so the coatings will be less likely to crack and delaminate.  So far so good...but let's get thru a NJ winter with our frequent freeze/thaw cycles.  Anybody else with any experience?  I'm trying to decide whether this is worth continuing.

But, beyond my immediate need, I'd also like to know how it fares against critters and moisture in general.

Robcarl