Author Topic: U.S. Forest Service (Read 5299 times)

Tom · « **on:** August 08, 2002, 06:40:51 pm »

If there were one thing I wouldn't want to be, it would be an employee of the U. S. Forest Service.

We've had mention of Forest roads, harvesting and fire fighting problems on this forum but tonight, on the news, There is yet another law suit in the West of citizens claiming inept decision making in the recent fires. Where will it stop? the Southeast has sued over declining animal and plant species (spell sierra club). Everybody is trying to get their hands into the Governments pockets through the USDA.

I hate to say it, but I don't understand. What has happened that makes the Forest Service at fault for all the problems?

Is it really that inept or do people see deep pockets?

woodman · « **Reply #1 on:** August 08, 2002, 08:05:24 pm »

Hay thats my pocket

Tillaway · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2002, 10:09:11 pm »

Inept... maybe, they Riffed out most of thier best years ago. One of our inspectors has a degree in resource and recreation. This person knows nothing about the actual work we are doing in our contract. Yet they are checking for compliance. It is not their fault they are put into this situation and they do their best. The fault is squarely on the policy makers shoulders in D.C.

To complicate this resource management decisions are often political and are made by people that have no business doing so. There are so many compromises in these decisions that the resource management goals desired, can't be met.

The lawsuits are just another way of furthering your management agenda. If you don't like whats being done (or whats proposed to be done) then you can tie it up in court so nothing is done. Often times doing nothing is the desired out come.

Ron Scott · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2002, 05:43:46 pm »

Yes, it's not the same U.S. Forest Service that use to be the "Marine Corp of the Department of Agriculture" for the various reasons previously mentioned.

The "Do nothing" and "No Management" philosophy prevailed upon them by "others" needs some serious attention of the taxpayers and the Congress.

The bears say: "Do Us a Favor...Stop Doing Us Favors"

The protester signs say: "Stop Forest Thinning"; "No Prescribed Burns"; "Danger, Flammable".

Frank_Pender · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2002, 10:04:45 pm »

Ron, one could jsut as easy replace the bears with a Spotted Owl or a Marbled Murlett (sp). and the facts of the toon would remain the same. The signs of the Tillaway posting of Bureaucratium fits the scene very will.

mustang · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:14:21 pm »

I worked for the forest service for 25 years in timber and fire in Louisana, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Tennessee. I finally had to leave because i could not take what the outfit had turned into. The "Olg Guard" are just about all gone. Replaced with folks that have no ties to the land ie. farming, logging, mining or ranching. The "Greens" have taken over most line positions( rangers and forest supervisors). It is truly a sad day for a once proud organization.

Tom · « **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:22:20 pm »

welcome Mustang.

CHARLIE · « **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:27:01 pm »

Welcome to the Forum Mustang. I sure hope you stick around. It sounds like you have a lot of experience and probably some good stories to share.

mustang · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:39:46 pm »

Thanks for the welcome. Found the forum from a link on wood web that Bibbyman or nobel put up. I just bought my first mill a hud-son 36. I got alot to learn. I know now why one of our timer purchasers said everyone that marks timer sould run a sawmill for a while.

Tom · « **Reply #9 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:52:50 pm »

I've seen some of the Hudson mills run at the Moultrie Ga. Ag show. Most of the ones they would bring were small. You'll have to tell us about yours.

Jeff · « **Reply #10 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:53:05 pm »

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I know now why one of our timer purchasers said everyone that marks timer sould run a sawmill for a while.

A-Men

Welcome Mustang

Bro. Noble · « **Reply #11 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:53:50 pm »

Welcome Mustang,

I like to try to stear people that look like good forum members this way. I know that Bibbyman and others do the same. I enjoy both forums but consider this one home. It has personality thanks to the participants and especially thanks to the hard work and dedication of Jeff.

and thats
No Bull

whitepe · « **Reply #12 on:** August 15, 2002, 09:48:22 pm »

Amen to the good job by Jeff on his website brother Noble.

Ron Scott · « **Reply #13 on:** June 03, 2009, 12:30:45 am »

NATIONWIDE NEWS

Road-building in national forests limited for one year.
No new roads or logging will be allowed in 49 million acres of national forest land for the next year unless approved by the secretary of agriculture, the Obama administration announced Thursday.

Policy Update

blame · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2009, 12:49:42 am »

oooo another one thanks to our wonderful new president

TheWoodsman · « **Reply #15 on:** June 04, 2009, 08:29:43 am »

Quote from: blame on June 04, 2009, 12:49:42 am

oooo another one thanks to our wonderful new president

Rocky_Ranger · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2009, 05:30:16 pm »

The Forest Service is a political animal just as any Department in the Government, the "use book" written by Gifford Pinchot was 34 pages long - with pictures, and a small book at that. My book now that lists the major laws governing management is about 300 pages long and in very small type - just the titles of the laws. The Forest Service didn't pass a single one - they all came from Congress and signed by the President, ultimately they started out as all taxpayers ideas. You bet it is confusing, you bet it makes ya shake your head and wonder some times, but it still is a good Agency - with a tough job. Times are a'changin, there is not as much environmentalism within the ranks as there was in the 1980's and early 90's, work is getting done. That work is different than the old days when logging ran the show. Those that can change with the times - the times are pretty good. We are still bogged down in our administrative work; Albuquerque Service Center has not been a bargain, and has caused lots of stress on our folks. But, times are a'changin - work is getting done; logs are heading down the road, plantations are being established, recreation and Wilderness activities are happening, cows are grazing, Rx burns being done, etc. Just gotta roll with the flow and keep on pushing to do what's right with the land..

The roadless thing is a bunch of hogwash anyway, the new ruling just means the Secretary will make the calls. That had been delegated down under the Bush Administration so it has just been "undelegated". I think I seen where only 45 +/- had even been proposed (roads) in the past eight years. We still can propose a road in Inventoried Roadless, just got to get Mr. Vilsack to do the bidding now......

Ron Scott · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2009, 07:38:05 pm »

Good Update.

I just sent in my reservations for the Forest Service Reunion in Missoula, Montana September 6-11. Looking forward to it.

zopi · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2009, 08:54:26 pm »

There is a reason your government is inept...at all levels...over that last few years, the reliable,
intelligent, wise, thoughtful professional government worker has been run out in favor of the
easily controlled politically reliable...especially in the officer ranks of the military...there are a few good ones left, but there are alot of frighteningly stupid people in very critical positions..

Alberto Gonzales anyone?

That might aggravate some folks...but it is my considered opinion..

Rocky_Ranger · « **Reply #19 on:** June 07, 2009, 08:46:14 am »

I'd like to go to Missoula and see that, probably won't make it though. Looking at a move coming up but nothing in the works as yet - wishful thinking, I reckon. I've still got 10 years or so with the outfit before I can retire, could have been eligible now if I'd stayed in at the on-set. No redos, and no regrets either. 18 years in private industry and running my own company was not only fun but a heck of a learning experience. Gives me quite an edge in what I do now.

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Author Topic: U.S. Forest Service (Read 5299 times)