The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:




TimberKing Sawmills




Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Forest Products Industry Insurance


Norwood Industries Inc.


Sawmill & Woodlot Magazine



Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades


Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

Woodshax Outdoor Vending Solutions

FARMA

Forestry Forum Tool Box

Author Topic: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment  (Read 880723 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 7698
  • Age: 81
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Ron Scotts Web
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #280 on: November 10, 2002, 07:19:37 pm »
Yes, the self-loaders are very popular here with the truckers that haul all roundwood products. Some of the Sawlog only producers will have just the flat bed rig and a seperate loading machine serving at the landing.

They usually don't tie their skidders up for loading trucks. If not a self loader, the seperate loading machine is often a large fork lift.

I'll show a picture of just a log rig maybe tomorrow.  
~Ron

Offline Tillaway

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 1219
  • Location: Tillamook, Oregon
  • Gender: Male
  • Funny looking tall guy.
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #281 on: November 10, 2002, 09:39:21 pm »
The most common loader in California is the 966 Cat wheel loader with log forks much to the disdane of some Foresters including me.  Landing are too big when these are used.  I had never seen one in the woods until working in California.  The Northwest uses hydraulic excavators (Cats, Hitachi, Link-Belt, mostly) which are much superior for sorting logs and working under a yarder.  Also landing size is greatly reduced on the ground based sytem sides using these.  I forgot to mention that self loader haul costs are considerably more compared to the long logger used here so that limits their role to do it your selfers, very small operators, and cleanup loads.
Making Tillamook Bay safe for bait; one salmon at a time.

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 7698
  • Age: 81
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Ron Scotts Web
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #282 on: November 11, 2002, 08:04:27 am »
Till,

How about posting some pictures of the California  or the Pacific Northwest logging operations when you can? Everthing's on a much bigger scale out there with different techniques for the "high country".

I once worked a 16 person logging crew in Oregon during my firefighting days. They were real professionals falling that ponderosa pine on those steel slopes. We traveled in there own bus which their mill provided.

~Ron

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 7698
  • Age: 81
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Ron Scotts Web
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #283 on: November 11, 2002, 08:16:56 am »
On the Road Again. Load of sawlogs on flat bed rig traveling down State Highway 115.




Some more Log Hauler Names noted:

"Fast Forward II " (Not sure where Fast Forward I is??)
"Walking The Dawg"
"Gear Jammer"
"Bigger Bear"

These were all noted in Michigan's U.P. "Spud" was also on the road again.
~Ron

Offline Tillaway

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 1219
  • Location: Tillamook, Oregon
  • Gender: Male
  • Funny looking tall guy.
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #284 on: November 11, 2002, 05:52:21 pm »
I've been trying Ron, but unlike you I don't often get to work with loggers.  My tasks are over long before they show up, sometimes years before.  I was trying to find time to get pictures of a yarder operation in the Sierras this summer but never got over there before they were done.  Yarders are not real common in the Sierras any more.
Making Tillamook Bay safe for bait; one salmon at a time.

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #285 on: November 11, 2002, 07:12:21 pm »




These pictures were taken in 1980,when we were logging at Woodfibre BC.
The top picture is a 1963 Madill yarder.The spar is hinged,and is raised first with a hydraulic ram,then lifted the rest of the way up with the two raising guylines on the front.As it goes up,the donkey puncher,slacks off the other four,till the spar is near vertical.Then they are slacked off & tightened till the pipe is at the desired position.
The man standing on the log pile,is my dad.The donkey puncher is Lorne Crocker.The winch on the yarder is a 110 Skagit, handjammer.It was taken off it's sleigh in 1963,and fitted on a Madill carrier.This was the last season we used it.

The bottom pic is the yarder(Back down the road) and a LS-98 Linkbelt loader.
eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline Tillaway

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 1219
  • Location: Tillamook, Oregon
  • Gender: Male
  • Funny looking tall guy.
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #286 on: November 11, 2002, 07:41:17 pm »
Link- Belt with a snorkel no less, never seen a snorkel in the US. 8)
Making Tillamook Bay safe for bait; one salmon at a time.

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #287 on: November 11, 2002, 08:07:17 pm »
 Tillaway,
They're kind of a BC thing aren't they? Do they still run many Link-belts down there?
eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline Tillaway

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 1219
  • Location: Tillamook, Oregon
  • Gender: Male
  • Funny looking tall guy.
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #288 on: November 11, 2002, 08:14:34 pm »
Never heard of one until I went to the Charlottes.  Never saw a grapple yarder either.  Those are unique to BC.  The company out there had a snorkel and a super snorkel on a Madill.

All most all those cable Link-Belts were converted to shotgun yarders as soon as the hydraulics started to get popular.  Some of the old boys still run them in Washington.  I've even seen some old dipper stick type there.

Have you got any shovels with tong throwers up there yet?  
Making Tillamook Bay safe for bait; one salmon at a time.

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #289 on: November 11, 2002, 08:38:47 pm »
I haven't seen any around here.There were a few super snorkels around a few years ago,but aren't to practical anymore because of multi chart areas.It would cost to much to break down,move and reasemble.There was a 150' on a American 72-20.I saw a few working,and was impressed by them.
We have a newer LS98 now that we added a kit to the power down side of the winch.It gives us twice the line speed when needed,and we yard comfortably up to 450'.The 98 is used mostly for cherry picking,but occasionally yard and loads corners and small patches.

I will try to take some pictures of the grapple yarder this week.We mostly use the grapple,but have the dropline carriage on right now.
eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #290 on: November 12, 2002, 05:29:20 pm »




I took some pictures of the grapple yarder,and 330LL working in the fog today.
eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #291 on: November 12, 2002, 05:34:36 pm »




eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #292 on: November 12, 2002, 05:47:49 pm »


Looking down from the guyline stump.



View from the cab of the 330LL
eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline Tillaway

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 1219
  • Location: Tillamook, Oregon
  • Gender: Male
  • Funny looking tall guy.
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #293 on: November 12, 2002, 06:26:47 pm »
Those pictures are  8) Paul.  When I was laying out Blocks for the grapples we try to limit the yarding distance to 200 meters.  Can you yard futher than that or is that about it.  We also tried to layout so as we could get a hoe trail around the bottom to use the hoe for a tail spar.
Making Tillamook Bay safe for bait; one salmon at a time.

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 7698
  • Age: 81
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Ron Scotts Web
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #294 on: November 12, 2002, 06:29:00 pm »
Some " heavy duty " logging. Great to see other parts of the country and their forests at work.
~Ron

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #295 on: November 12, 2002, 07:07:48 pm »
This is a small block,and the maximum distance yarding is around 600-700'.The two mainlines on the yarder are 1150'.They have to be kept close in length,or one line will pull faster,and the grapple will tend to open and close at will.

600'(around 200 meters) is optimum for this machine,but we've been out to the end of the mainlines a few times.In a steep block like this,especially when it's raining,almost every log needs to be grabbed by the loader,before the GY can let go.If not ,the logs will shoot back down to the crew below.

Tillaway,
We love it when there are backspar trails.Number one production 8) Too steep here though,the slope has no break,till the road mainline at the bottom.

eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline Scott

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 397
  • Age: 31
  • Location: Saint John NB
  • Gender: Male
  • Logger in Training
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #296 on: November 14, 2002, 02:54:13 pm »
Does anyone have any pictures or expirience with CAT crawler skidders like the 527 or 517. I like thses machines but i don't know a lot about them.

Offline Tillaway

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 1219
  • Location: Tillamook, Oregon
  • Gender: Male
  • Funny looking tall guy.
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #297 on: November 14, 2002, 03:45:46 pm »
Lot's of them out here.  The preferred skidder in these parts, but hey it's steep.  They run them here on slopes up to 70% with with steeper pitches allowed. :o  I'm sure theres a serious pucker factor though. ;D
Making Tillamook Bay safe for bait; one salmon at a time.

Offline Scott

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 397
  • Age: 31
  • Location: Saint John NB
  • Gender: Male
  • Logger in Training
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #298 on: November 14, 2002, 04:17:01 pm »
Thats interesting. Unforunatly here on the east coast there really isn't any need for them but i'd really like to see someone try one just to see how it goes. You don't have any pictures of them at work do you?

Offline Steve

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 351
  • Age: 68
  • Location: Dufur, Oregon
  • Gender: Male
  • I'd rather be fishing.
    • Hawaiian Hardwoods Direct
Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #299 on: November 14, 2002, 04:55:09 pm »
So with this high lead grapple, no chokers/setters? Can the yarder operator can see what he is doing and grab the logs?

What a tough dangerous job to eliminate, if that is the case.
Steve
Hawaiian Hardwoods Direct
www.curlykoa.com