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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1960 on: September 16, 2011, 11:02:56 pm »
I'd say we have about 70% self loaders up here.
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1961 on: September 17, 2011, 12:21:39 pm »
they are handy, i dont know why more people dont have them here, i like the one smvwoody has, it is set up nice. there is a 1900 intl. that has a pto on it. i could put a small prentice loader on it, but i think im going to try to get a grapple skidder, or prehauler :)
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1962 on: September 17, 2011, 02:54:55 pm »
they are handy, i dont know why more people dont have them here, i like the one smvwoody has, it is set up nice. there is a 1900 intl. that has a pto on it. i could put a small prentice loader on it, but i think im going to try to get a grapple skidder, or prehauler :)
you must have missed it there is a bell 3 wheeler with a dangle saw on criags list maine either 9 or 10k. i think it was at poulin tractor in scowhegan

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1963 on: September 17, 2011, 03:34:25 pm »
I havent seen that one yet :)
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1964 on: September 17, 2011, 04:55:24 pm »
I can only think of one truck in the Black Hills that doesn't have a Loader on it.. But if the truck doesn't have a loader they don't get loaded

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1965 on: September 17, 2011, 06:01:23 pm »
There are all kinds of scenarios you could run through that either works best. It just depends on your business. I know several guys that load their truck with a forwarder or slasher or even have a dedicated loader truck with 5 trucks or more on the road hauling. Then there is a log truck driver that just hauls wood for others so he uses a loader on his truck, unhooks next week and pulls a produce trailer. ;)

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1966 on: September 18, 2011, 08:25:43 pm »
99% are self loaders here.
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1967 on: September 18, 2011, 08:40:46 pm »
When we used to have more custom haulers, we had a higher percentage of self loaders.
Now there are more logging outfits that have their own trucks pulling crib trailers. Our hauls are getting so long, it adds up quick hauling that extra almost 2 cords that a loader weighs. 100 mile hauls to the mill one way are not uncommon anymore, and it seems like it keeps getting longer as markets disappear. But, even a huge operator like Reiger up here is running all center mounts because it makes the logistics much simpler. A woods crew can roll in, hammer up 500 cords on the landing and move on before the trucks even touch the job.
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1968 on: October 01, 2011, 12:29:24 am »
Here is how we help trees grow after the harvest in the PNW.  A very informational vid from a very good timberland owner.  Their head forester is a super nice guy too.
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« Reply #1969 on: October 01, 2011, 02:43:15 pm »
That sure brings back some memories. ;D Thanks
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« Reply #1970 on: October 01, 2011, 08:13:52 pm »
Good video of helicopter spray project.
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« Reply #1971 on: October 01, 2011, 11:55:03 pm »
Thanks Ron.  I cannot take credit for the video, I did not tape it. We have other videos and pics on the Co.'s new website.  I don't get to the woods with the crews, I spend most of my time in the shop fixing the aircraft and other things.  I have been in the woods a bit this past week though, we are dialing in a new DGPS guidance system that we have put together ourselves, rather than spend the bocou $$ on a  turn key system for the aerial platform.  It is working better than any system that I have seen IMO,  is much more scalable, and a much better value than others as well.  We have in the past donre a lot of aerial fertilization, but the last 2 years with the sky high fert prices, timber companies are not ponying up the cash to do much, if the market were to stay stronger (timber market), they would begin to spend more. Luckily for us they have returned to a more normal cycle for release and site prep, since the cutting has stepped up markedly with the good export market of late.
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« Reply #1972 on: October 02, 2011, 03:34:27 am »
Wow, fertilizing forests. I didn't think anyone did that. I didn't think the economics paid off like thinning does. We found you got maybe 3 years of growth spurt with aerial fertilizing, versus 25 years with thinning. ;) I'm not debating it, but some folks must see benefits that we haven't back east.

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1973 on: October 02, 2011, 06:53:46 am »
Fertilization is not at all uncommon in the South.  My company has a major forest fertilization program backed up by decades of research.  Even though fertilization pays out under most timber price scenarios, the biggest return for the silvicultural dollars spent is weed/vegetation control.  Apparently, this is true for the PNW as well.
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1974 on: October 02, 2011, 08:38:14 am »
Gday Treefarmer there is a bogie drive W model Kenworth up in PA with a 120 prentice on truckpaper.com Mate for $8 or 9 k Mate  ;)
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1975 on: October 02, 2011, 11:04:37 am »
thanks ill take a look at it :)
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« Reply #1976 on: October 02, 2011, 12:10:29 pm »
it has a hood 7000 loader still good loader

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« Reply #1977 on: October 02, 2011, 07:11:58 pm »
Fertilization is not at all uncommon in the South.  My company has a major forest fertilization program backed up by decades of research.  Even though fertilization pays out under most timber price scenarios, the biggest return for the silvicultural dollars spent is weed/vegetation control.  Apparently, this is true for the PNW as well.
  Most REIT's and private timber co's will fertilize within 5-7 years of harvest, and sometimes mid growth, after the first thinining, as it can speed up growth in a given period of time and increase the yield at harvest up to 25% in volume, especially the fert application 5-7 years prior to final commercial harvest.  We have fertilized as far east as Montana in the past, as it will increase yield volume at harvest by 10-15%, under forest practice rules, they would take the 10-15% increase at the time they fertilized, by being allowed to increase the cut the same year the fertilizer was applied on areas that were under harvest in the same year, since the increase in volume is a documented result of fertilizing.
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« Reply #1978 on: October 02, 2011, 10:31:09 pm »
it has a hood 7000 loader still good loader
thanks ill take a look at it :)

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« Reply #1979 on: October 03, 2011, 05:26:23 am »
Mad_Murdock, that was what we concluded to. Within 3-5 years of harvest was beneficial to dominant trees mostly. We found there was delay in codominant growth increase and the suppressed trees, which were low quality anyway, were further suppressed. But we found that most of the nitrate was gone with heavy rainfall events and carried to streams.

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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