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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1320 on: June 24, 2007, 08:14:47 pm »
Biomass Baling Machine. Red pine biomass is being baled and tied into bundles for transport and use as biofuel at the mill. New Page red pine harvest; 5/07.

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1321 on: June 24, 2007, 09:03:00 pm »
Very interesting Ron.Any  more pictures of that baler?I had read a few articles about this,but have not seen a machine like that one to bale the biomass.Do have pictures of  the bales piles up,being hauled.How much does each one weigh?Biomass around here is not a big deal for a land onwer even though there is one plant about 15 minutes and another one about a hour away.Seems to be more up north.IP went though their woodlots around here and I don't think any went for biomass,all logs and pulp.How are they getting the bales out,with a forwarder?Who made that baler?
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1322 on: June 25, 2007, 10:10:00 am »
This is a John Deere machine. They were working in a partnership with the timber producer for the biomass operatrion part of the harvest and demonstration for the machine.

The bales were moved around by a forwarder stacked on site and then transported by truck to the mill site for cogeneration fuel. I believe they said that the pine bales weighed around 300 pounds.
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1323 on: June 25, 2007, 02:07:24 pm »
Is that more efficient than just chipping them?

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1324 on: June 25, 2007, 06:12:45 pm »
The "slash bundler" machine allows for removal of addditional biomass fuel in the form of baled limbs, needles and tops which doesn't make for the "clean chips" normally required by the large boiler heating sytems, pellet manufacturing, etc. where  less green needles, leaves etc. is acceeptable.

This operation had 3  biomass fuel source operations going on at one time in addition to harvesting the pine pulpwood. One chipper was chipping the smaller delimbed roundwood for "clean chips" another chipper was chipping and tops and limbs with needles, "dirty chips", and the "slash bundler" machine was bundling the left over small limbs and leftover woody debris.

This was a "full tree utilization" harvest but with about 1/3 of the small slash, woody debris, and  fines retained on site for retention of soil productivity. 
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1325 on: June 26, 2007, 01:41:01 pm »
Slash Bundler. A bundle of red pine biomass leaves the machine. Also note processed bundles on the ground. New Page red pine harverst; 5/07.

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1326 on: June 27, 2007, 06:00:12 pm »
Slash Bundler. A slash bundle is cut to bale size and dropped from the bundling machine to be forwarded to the landing/decking area. New Page red pine harvest; 5/07. 

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1327 on: June 27, 2007, 06:24:53 pm »
It's hard for me to see profit with the dirty chips, when I know from talking with local chippers that the profit is around $3 a ton for biomass in my kneck of the woods. Currently, there is one main chipper supplying the plant in Fort Fairfield, Maine at 200 loads a week and the marketing board had a small contract where an operator was sending 3 or 4 loads a week in. I think that small contract expired. Some of the stands the small operator was operating in would have been softwood sawlogs in 15 years and some were just pasture grown spruce or pulpwood potential sites. The purchase price of the fibre is fixed and the location of the next block is known well ahead for the large operator, he's on crown land. He also has access to a mountain of wood. For the small operator he has to haggle on price from every land owner for that fibre and go knocking on doors to find it.

My experience with red pine tells me it's not profitable in small diameter wood and we have no big demand for red pine pulp. Practically non existent. It's hit and miss at best. We have thousands of acres that are 2 to 50 year old plantations, most around 20 years old. Not quite big enough to do anything with, but needing thinning real soon and not with a brush saw. You can't even get near a red pine after 10 years with all those low, long reaching, branches. I'm going to thin a small section of red pine with brush saws and it's not going to be as easy as thinning spruce or hardwood.  ::)

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1328 on: July 15, 2007, 09:56:28 pm »
John Deere Grapple Skidder. A workhorse for tree length skidding on this red pine timber harvest. New Page red pine timber harvest; 5/07.

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1329 on: July 17, 2007, 06:01:54 pm »
Chipping Red Pine Tops. The John Deere grapple skidder carries red pine tops to the chipper. Processed chips are then blown into the chip van.

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1330 on: July 17, 2007, 07:30:27 pm »
Ron...I think that trailer need more axles under it :D :D :D.

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1331 on: July 17, 2007, 11:26:02 pm »
I have to wonder why a chip trailer needs that many. ???
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1332 on: July 18, 2007, 07:26:30 am »
Maybe lotsa weight

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1333 on: July 18, 2007, 10:14:42 am »
The chips must be very wet. ;)
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1334 on: July 18, 2007, 10:15:36 am »
It must be a real drag cornering with that trailer  ;)
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1335 on: July 19, 2007, 09:13:13 pm »
It must be a real drag cornering with that trailer ;)

 Well not really ....  there is a switchs one can use in da dash to lift dem front and back drop axles .  ;)
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1336 on: July 29, 2007, 02:12:06 pm »
Flying some CATS into work. And a few trees going out also.

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1337 on: July 29, 2007, 09:06:43 pm »
Michigan allows a really high loaded truck weight here but a lower weight per axle than other states.  That is why you will see so many axles on trucks here in Michigan. 

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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1338 on: July 31, 2007, 12:20:43 pm »
Yes, that is why and the weigh master really checks out that axel weight.
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Re: Timber Harvest Methods & Equipment
« Reply #1339 on: August 02, 2007, 08:17:56 pm »
Working at the marketing board I've seen as much as 45 tonne of green hardwood per load, a normal load would be around 34 tonne. Some of these little stream bridges out on country roads are only 20 tonne bridges.  ::)

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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