bitternut ,your way wors,those trees i did are dieing off.The biggest one was 50''.The county forestor said before he came out he knew the guy who logger my place and he never cuts the culled trees.Well when he came out he was really supriesed at how good the timber looked,he even said it could stand to be thinned.I never told him all the work i did to the forest over the years.