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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2004, 06:36:03 pm »
I think the fines should have been ALOT MORE   :-/
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2004, 05:42:40 am »
I agree, especially when warnings have been and are constantly posted.
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2004, 08:02:34 pm »
Man!  This burns you up!  

"In Gratiot County, OGW Tree Service and Trucking was found guilty and ordered to pay the state $8,680 in fines, court costs and restitution as well as serve 90 days in jail should the fees fail to be paid in a timely manner. The company was also found guilty in Luce County and fined $200."

That low of a fine is a crime!  Makes ya really mad...especially when those yahoos probably made money cutting that stuff up for firewood, illegally, and they probably made more money than the fine was.  So they're still ahead, so it's not much of a penalty or deterrent.

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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2004, 12:32:39 pm »
It has noe been found in Oceana County.

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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2004, 09:27:58 pm »
Oh great! With the the dunes there, go figure! ::)
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2004, 08:14:50 am »
The Emerald Ash Borer quarantine was extended Monday by the Michigan Department of Agriculture to include 7 new counties and outliers in several areas.  The seven new counties are: Hillsdale, Branch, Calhoun, Eaton, Clinton, Gratiot, and Saginaw.  For more info visit the MDA website at www.michigan.gov/mda and click on the emerald ash borer link.
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2005, 09:23:10 pm »
I attended the 'EAB Info & Ash Wood Utilization Fair' this weekend at Washtenaw County Fairgrounds - interesting show.  The good news was that everyone seemed very interested in finding a use for the ash that has or will need to come down.  Everyone seemed very impressed by the Baker mill demonstrated by Last Chance Logs to Lumber.  Bad news is that the general consensus is that the bug is going to be pretty hard to stop. :'(

The most up to date map I saw showed outbreaks outside of the quaratine area all over the lower penninsula, in NE Indiana and in Ontario.

http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0,1607,7-125-2961_6860_30046---,00.html

The other interesting comments where the limited amount of interest in the State bidding process by tree services.  From what I heard there are 28 services signed up for 20 counties in the quarintine area.  Everyone wants to stop the bug, lots of people lined up to use the wood, but limited interest in getting it down and hauling it at the state rates.  Maybe they should offer a tax break for woodlot owners w/ash and tree services.

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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2005, 10:19:04 am »
I saw on the local news this morning that the EAB has been found on Old Mission Penisula in Grand Traverse Co and it appears that it has been there for several years.  It's now been found in parts of most of Northern Michigan.  It keeps getting worse :( >:( :'( ::) >:( >:( :(
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2005, 03:23:45 pm »
Does anyone know the deal with harvesting/processing standing ash?  It seems to me that one way to beat the DanG bug is to cut down any and all viable ash trees, and turn it into lumber, instead of just letting it be turned into mulch, as I've heard is happening with much of it.  I suppose right now there's a flood of ash on the market, but I'd rather see a flood now, since undoubtedly, we're going to be experiencing a long term dearth in the near future!   :-[
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2005, 09:44:01 am »
From what I understand this is exactly the way they are handling the outbreaks away from the quarintine counties - removal of healthy ash around the outbreak.  I think the concern is that if the harvesting and movement of timber is not done properly then it will actually promote the spread of the bug.

The official agencies have been very good in getting the news out about the bug to the general public and alot of thought is going into promoting the use of the wood besides landfill.  But there does not seem to be concerted effort to let the small business forest industry know how to handle infected or soon to be infected trees.  It would seem that forums like this and the small to mid level forest industry could really help in preventing the spread. 

For instance, I have asked several officials regarding the rules for using ash wood from infected areas outside of these areas and can't seam to get a straight answer.  Training is required but I cannot determine through what channels.  Official inspection is required but I have not been able to find a standard set of rules.   :'( :'( :'(

An official 'rulebook'  on processing (particularly bark) would be very helpful.  For instance - is it best to fell, cant the log on site, grind the bark and leave at the location?  Is it ok to move timber (with bark on) within the quaritine area even though you may risk infected trees that haven't seen the critter yet??  How far into the tree needs to be removed to have a 'safe' cant???

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« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2005, 04:57:16 pm »
I've been asking the same questions. Was told today that the wood needs to go directly to the mill within the quarintine area. Lacatiion that it came from and location that its going to must be recorded and it can't stop in route.

At the mill, the outside 3 inches then needs to be slabed off and chipped and burned. The center cant outside the bore area is the usable wood.

Its a good idea to attend one of the Michigan Dept. of Ag. sessions in your area of infection though for best current information.

We now have it in the Marilla area of Manistee County also.
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2005, 06:58:22 pm »
I have to say there is alot of talk and miss informed information about EAB going to both extremes. The logz should be kept in the county there removed(felled in) in my opinion, and the tree services in those counties should be notified that an alternative for the waste ash has been around since portable sawmill came to be. Acording to the classes I have attended and the Michigan forrester I have been in constant contact with,  1" bellow the bark was the required removal for meeting the states requirements. The rest of the wood with no bark inclusion was aceptable.

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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2005, 07:47:25 pm »
In my opinion moving ash around in counties that are entirely infected and quarantined is OK but in a county such Cheboygan that so far has only one area of infestation I sure as H*** don't want anyone moving any logs or firewood from there to anywhere else in this county or any other county in the area >:( >:(.  That's how this bug spreads.  In areas up here in Northern Mi I'd like to see all ash processed at the infected location rather than risk spreading this pest through the transportation of logs etc.  Even chipping to 1" pieces or less before transport worries me.  Chips blow out of chip vans all the time ::).  It seems to me they should be processed to smaller than an inch to make sure the bugs are indeed killed.  Moving cants that have been sawn to specs would be fine but anything to do with the outer portions of the tree needs to handled in a very serious manner.  Most of the outbreaks up here are the result of firewood or nursery stock being brought in from downstate >:( so lets not spread it around locally.  I've got some pretty nice ash trees here that I'm not ready to cut and some good ash regeneration that I'd rather not have to destroy but my optimism about this situation is running out >:( :( :'( >:( >:( >:( >:(  I've got this bug both east and west of me now and I'm beginning to feel time is getting short and not enough has or is being done.  I remember when elm was a major part of our forest now even most of the stumps have rotted away and we've got one remaining living elm in 100 acres of woods.  I'm beginning to believe that the ash is going in that same direction :'( :(.   
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Re: emerald ash borer
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2005, 08:44:27 pm »
Corley, I do agree with your thoughts on movment, but those little 1' chips have been seen with the bug still on them. So buy not moving them and sawing them at that spot there could be less chance of them chips fliing out of them big dumps and into other none infessed areas. Plus for the guys wanting to due business in ther own backyard(county) ther is a winfall.

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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2005, 08:59:54 pm »
What is involved in getting started doing this?
I'm guessing it's connected to the state right?

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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2005, 09:20:39 pm »
Here's a lot of EAB info. It's also reachable from the above mentioned URL.

http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0,1607,7-125-1568_2390_18298---,00.html

More direct EAB program info is here.
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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2005, 09:31:49 pm »
Exactly Jeff.  If the outside 3" of the tree or any other part where the bug lives is going to be transported it needs to be ground into dust!  I'm all for utilizing as much of these possibly infected and postively infected trees as we can but lets not jeopardize our uninfected areas by moving anything through them that could in anyway cause an infection.  I firmly believe that if the MDNR, MDA and all the gov't agencies both state and federal involved in this would have dealt with this issue more aggressively when it first came to light we wouldn't be in this situation to the point we are now.  There was an unforgivable lack of action in the early stages of this situation especially when it came to public eduaction about the EAB.  One example in particular was the photo copied warnings on state forest campground info boards up here warning people about importing ash firewood from infected areas.  By the time the people read this they already had the wood here ::) ::) >:(.  Very little was done to educate and inform the public in the areas first affected until it was largely too late and it had been unknowingly spread to other parts of the country.  The general public can't be blamed for the failures of our public service agencies to keep them adequately educated and informed on matters such as this.  It hasn't been until recently that there has been fairly good info out there aimed at the general public.  O.K. I'll get my soapbox now but this whole thing really p*$$#$ me off >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2005, 09:35:55 pm »
I'll second that Greg!

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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2005, 07:59:02 am »
Not sure that there is still a chance to prevent the spread, but the current info on the site refered to by Shotgun is lacking alot of detail.  The contractor instructions on this link especially:

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Roles_of_Contractor_114449_7.pdf

- It says to chip debris but no size is listed.
- Does MCC Rep have to present?
- All wood to go to closest marshalling yard - even if cut into cant on site?

Training and restrictions are definitely necessary but the current system seems so restrictive yet without detailed instructions.  Incentives for tree contractors need to built into the system to make this thing work - not extra costs at lower income.  It's not hard to figure out why there is a lack of interest in the current system.

How about a 'bounty' on ash trees in a buffer zone around the quarantine area?  Get'em down to stop the spread.  Maybe a grass roots lobby of state government is in order.

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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2005, 07:19:45 pm »
It's just  moving too fast now, from my understanding. If info had been a little more forthcoming at the start, most of this probly would have been very effective.
I'm thinking now, in order to stop this, not only would we have to have check points 24/7 on all roads leading out of a quarantined area, but we must move the boundries out and start removal of ash trees a couple of states away and work towards the quarantined areas.
Not the best idea, but things are spreading too fast to do things the way they are now.