Author Topic: Soviet Chainsaws (Read 5518 times)

Tom Sawyer · « **on:** February 19, 2005, 05:54:23 am »

I read an old thread about Russian chainsaws and thought you might like to see some pics. This is a guy that I hired here in Kyrgyzstan to cut up some firewood for me. He really knew how to use his saw and I could tell he took good care of his equipment.

Tom

Let's see if this works!

The links are there, but is there a way to post the actual picture?

Tom · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2005, 07:22:35 am »

click on your picture and beneath it will be the address, already indside of tags. Copy and paste that address into your post. You can use the modify button on your post and put the pictures in the old post if you like.

pigman · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2005, 08:12:14 am »

Tom Sawyer,
The chainsaw has some weird looking handles.

It would take me awhile to get used to that saw.
Bob

Chet · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2005, 09:44:45 am »

Looks like a motorized kids tricycle converted to a chainsaw.

Jeff is gonna wine and cry 'till he gits one of dem.

Tom Sawyer · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2005, 09:58:10 am »

I can get one for him, but he has to figure out how to get it from here! It wouldn't fit in a suitcase very well and I wouldn't want to be the one who has to explain to a customs agent why anyone would want to bring one of those back to North America

redpowerd · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2005, 12:12:29 pm »

that sucker looks like a forearm builder, looks like he may have his thigh in that cut in the last pic.

im sure he just loves that chainsaw

WEIRD

weimedog · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2005, 03:14:35 pm »

I have to wonder what the logic behind that setup is.....maybe easier on your back? Or maybe an evolution from the old two man saws....looks like one ..only smaller.

Jeff · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2005, 08:45:07 pm »

I have begun my wine. I want one!

Barkman · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2005, 09:47:51 pm »

Wild looking tool!

It just struck me as I looked at the pictures, no chainbrake, no chaps, no helmet, no faceshield, no hearing protection. Yep, all of the expected safegaurds of a Soviet design are present!

Mark M · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2005, 10:29:13 pm »

Actually that saw might not be all that unsafe. His hands are not in line with the blade and pretty far away. There is a mechanical advantage against kickback by having that handle bar post almost as long as the bar.

It still looks pretty awkward and I don't know how you would cut down trees.

Furby · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2005, 11:38:55 pm »

Double Jeff's order! I think I'd like to play with one myself.

Drain the gas and oil, break it down a bit, and send it, shouldn't be to big of a deal if ya let it air out after draining.

Jeff · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2005, 11:41:03 pm »

Seems like they would be possible to ship some how.

Furby · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2005, 11:44:50 pm »

Probly just come down to $$$.

spacemule · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2005, 11:50:30 pm »

Check these out!

Hoop · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2005, 07:34:17 am »

Typical Russian junk. Technology out of the 1930's. Think you'd put out more wood in a day with a swede saw......and be far less frustrated.

I'd venture to say the chainsaws made by McCulloch back in the 60's are perhaps say, 100 times better than that russian debris.

It still amazes me that the Russians were able to build ANYTHING capable of space travel, so shoddy is their engineering.

I'm sure anyone using this sort of chainsaw for a day would come away with the following opinion: Bomb the factory that makes the chainsaw and beat the engineers that developed it within an inch of their lives.

Tom Sawyer · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2005, 08:09:38 am »

Hoop, you are probably right about the quality of the saw, however, these guys have never used anything different and have no idea what they are missing (could this be like the people who don't buy an orange sawmill because they have never used one

Whoops! Wrong forum!

).

Spacemule, the Russian saws' bar pivots like the one you picture for horizontal cutting. My guy actually swivelled his while the saw was running (the chain wasn't moving tooooo fast

)

To all you guys who really want one, the saw itself would probably run somewhere around $50-$75 depending on age and condition. I could probably find new ones, but I can't say for sure. Shipping is another story. I can check around a bit if you are really serious.

Hey, I just thought of a great new business idea: Importing Russian chainsaws. How much are you guys really willing to pay???

Tom

devo · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2005, 08:51:33 am »

There's probably a forum somewhere full of Russian's looking and at a picture of a Sthil or Husky, scratching thier heads wondering how we can use something so funny looking!

I'm with Jeff and Furby I think it would be cool to have one of those.

Jeff · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:28:08 am »

I strongly hesitate about condemning another cultures ideas and ways. I would much rather learn to understand how and why such machines came to be. To me, having one of those saws to look at and work on would be quite a thought provoking experience. How and why did they arrive at the decision to do this in this way? I would imagine political science has as much to do with mechanical design there as does principals in engineering.

We have at least a couple members of the Forestry Forum that are Russian and they do their best, mostly on the drying board, to communicate and share information. I very much appreciate that.

Buzz-sawyer · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:34:17 am »

I would LOVE to have on even if it was not a runner........just to study it.......
What is shipping and customs costs on JUNK?

Jeff · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:45:07 am »

I dont think anybody that calls them Junk should get one before me.

rebocardo · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:55:25 am »

> How and why did they arrive at the decision to do this in this way?

3rd world engineering where they can not afford engineers, molds, drop forging, lathes, tooling, welders, and metals to produce a modern appliance. In a country full of motorcycles and bikes where many people can not afford cars, building a chain saw based on motorcycle and bike parts makes sense because you do not need an engineer or tooling to do it.

You just need access to motorcycle and bike parts including the spur gears to cobb something together. I bet the most expensive thing is the bar and that is probably imported. There is a VW bug somewhere missing its muffler ...

I bet it beats cutting the tree up by hand saw, plus, the guy made money for him (and probably his family) so its all good for him :-)

redpowerd · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2005, 11:39:20 am »

thats why i said i bet he loves that thing....i seen the duke boys cutting firewood with a buck saw on tv once.....dosent look fun.

looks like you run that thing from the hip or thigh, and the more i look at it the more it looks like a backsaver.

do you think husky produced that saw to market to the folks that got accustomed to those bicycle saws?

Buzz-sawyer · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2005, 11:48:11 am »

Jeff B
Call it what ya like ...........its merely semantics..I have SEEN your yard ornaments

( I got a new camera yesterday...so Ill show some more of my junk)

sawguy21 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2005, 12:39:41 pm »

SpaceMule, is that a pic of a Russian market Husky or were you having fun with a photo shop?

I would have to try one verrry carefully. The possibility of kick back with that setup scares me.

Jeff · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2005, 12:43:18 pm »

Quote from: Buzz-sawyer on February 20, 2005, 11:48:11 am

Jeff B
Call it what ya like ...........its merely semantics..I have SEEN your yard ornaments
( I got a new camera yesterday...so Ill show some more of my junk)

I dont have a clue what you might be refering to here. If you are talking about the old engines that were here, or the drag saws, they had a current value of more then the car you were driving and they are still gaining value every day.

They are only brought out to display. The only yard ornamaments I have are trees and an American Flag.

Buzz-sawyer · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2005, 01:18:16 pm »

Because I call all my treasures I find and collect Junk (weather a old saw or a vintage dozer ).....I am sure your colection is very valuable.
Sorry if I offended you

If I offended you it was not intended to run you down
or to degrade you
it was in a poor attempt to reply to what I though was you joking with me.... so I tried to give you a tongue in check come back as I do with some others.... I will try to be more careful about this in the future some times I am learning , as I go , that what I intend to convey on the internet is some thing I should consider carefully

I appreciated you inviting me to your house, and being so kind while we were all there, .
Don

Swede · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2005, 02:03:35 pm »

Qwackkkk!!

I´m sitting less than 100 miles from the Husqvarna factory. After looking that chain saw I´ll look for another citizenship if no one have a very good explanation why they made one and how to use that tool.

Swede.

sawinmontana · « **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:15:31 pm »

I am working down in McMurdo Station, Antarctica right now and if it weren't for the Russians we may well have not gotten our supply ships here this year. The U.S. Coast Guard had only one heavy ice breaker to send down here this year so the National Science Foundation in one of there few smart ideas hired the Russian icebreaker, The Krasin, to assist. When the Coast Guard ice breaker, Polar Star, arrived here it developed a hydraulic leak on the prop. They were afraid to use it in case it broke badly. So, the Russians did most, if not all, the icebreaking here. We met some of them and even though we didn't speak Russian and they spoke little English we all had fun. I too would hesitate to condem a different culture. We were greatful for the Russians being here. After all we were almost out of beer on station so we needed that supply ship!

J_T · « **Reply #28 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:42:28 pm »

Don't know but sometimes it is easer to have a disimaled unit shiped as parts than a compleat unit. Just a thought

Dean Hylton · « **Reply #29 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:52:47 pm »

It should not be a problem with shipping. I have sent old saws to France, Germany, Sweeden, Australia..... all over and have not had a problem yet. Now I understand that I do not live in Russia or in the communist country of California but I got them out of the sattelite cummunist republic of Washington.

redpowerd · « **Reply #30 on:** February 20, 2005, 05:53:30 pm »

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Don't know but sometimes it is easer to have a disimaled unit shiped as parts than a compleat unit. Just a thought

then you could just 'guess' it back together

Jeff · « **Reply #31 on:** February 20, 2005, 06:54:24 pm »

Quote from: Buzz-sawyer on February 20, 2005, 01:18:16 pm

Because I call all my treasures I find and collect Junk (weather a old saw or a vintage dozer ).....I am sure your colection is very valuable.
Sorry if I offended you

If I offended you it was not intended to run you down
or to degrade you
it was in a poor attempt to reply to what I though was you joking with me.... so I tried to give you a tongue in check come back as I do with some others.... I will try to be more careful about this in the future some times I am learning , as I go , that what I intend to convey on the internet is some thing I should consider carefully

I appreciated you inviting me to your house, and being so kind while we were all there, .
Don

No offense taken buzz, I need to take a refresher course in smilies 101

Jeff · « **Reply #32 on:** February 20, 2005, 07:06:34 pm »

Human ingenuity, ya gotta love it. Making due with what one has and coming up with something that works is always worthwhile. Rube Goldberg was famous for it.

Anybody remember seeing this? Its a large flash file so may take time to load...
http://mail.silvertech.net/~epe/honda.html#hondaad

Ironwood · « **Reply #33 on:** February 20, 2005, 08:24:33 pm »

ANYONE CARE TO TRAVEL TO THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION, PORTIONS OF WHICH CAME FROM THE SAME FACTORY THAT PROBABLY BUILT THE SAW?

JEFF, YEAH TRY NOT TO CONDENM, BUT WOULD YOU GO? REID

Furby · « **Reply #34 on:** February 20, 2005, 08:30:03 pm »

In a heart beat!!!

Ianab · « **Reply #35 on:** February 20, 2005, 08:52:36 pm »

And when you think about it the, lo-tech Russian rocket is the only way you can get there right now

I bet that old guys funny looking saw starts first time, and if it doesn't he can fix it with a screwdriver, a spanner and his pocket knife

They probably look at our saws and say "gee that must hurt ya back ven ya hav ta bent down?"

Tom Sawyer · « **Reply #36 on:** February 20, 2005, 08:54:51 pm »

Some good thoughts on culture and understanding here! I never thought my pictures would cause such a strong reaction! I have to say I am proud that my second ever post has become an official hot topic

After living here in Kyrgyzstan for almost 4 years now I have to say that I have come to highly respect the ingenuity of many of the people here. Sure, the equipment may not be engineered to the same degree as we are used to, but it works. I have never met people anywhere that can do so many different things with so little materials to work with. Generally the Russian stuff is ugly, big, and heavier than it should be, but it does the job and is easy to fix. I would trust the Russian space equipment. They really did reward the best engineers well, and only their best were put on projects like the space station and military stuff. There is a good reason why North America was afraid of the Russian military all through the Cold War.

About shipping saws, Does anybody seriously want one??

Tom

Buzz-sawyer · « **Reply #37 on:** February 20, 2005, 08:59:28 pm »

I really do like older and simpler equipment...I have maybe 15 old american saws...I would love one...but seeing your are in former USSR? I wonder If I could afford shipping

spacemule · « **Reply #38 on:** February 20, 2005, 09:26:41 pm »

Quote from: sawguy21 on February 20, 2005, 12:39:41 pm

SpaceMule, is that a pic of a Russian market Husky or were you having fun with a photo shop? I would have to try one verrry carefully. The possibility of kick back with that setup scares me.

I didn't make it up, but I wouldn't swear it's legitimate. Here's where I got the information. http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=19110

Jeff · « **Reply #39 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:13:27 pm »

I am seriously asking what it would take to get one.

Since I'm just a mill rat like everybody else, serious money is spent on groceries and I have to use my "Mad money" on fun stuff. Yes, if affordable, I would really like to have one.

As for the space station, yea like Furby says. In A heart beat.

MULE_MAN · « **Reply #40 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:19:28 pm »

I like that different & unusual stuff I think it neat !!! I wouldn't mine
having one those saw's

Furby · « **Reply #41 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:44:28 pm »

I tend to be a bit bias on the Russian side of this topic as my three youngest sisters are from Russia.
I look at it this way, who's to say the standard type chainsaw design in the US, is so superior?
If it is, why do people still get "bit" by chainsaws every day?

I also don't think it's fair for you to use term "typical Russian junk".
Look at all the "junk" that is made in the far eastern countries for the US, that is designed by US engineers.

Tom Sawyer,
Like Jeff said it really comes down to $$$.
$50 US dollars don't sound to bad, but if it's gonna cost another $100 to ship.........

If you can get an idea on shipping without too much trouble, that would help.

spacemule · « **Reply #42 on:** February 20, 2005, 11:09:34 pm »

Quote from: Furby on February 20, 2005, 10:44:28 pm

I tend to be a bit bias on the Russian side of this topic as my three youngest sisters are from Russia.
I look at it this way, who's to say the standard type chainsaw design in the US, is so superior?
If it is, why do people still get "bit" by chainsaws every day?

I also don't think it's fair for you to use term "typical Russian junk".
Look at all the "junk" that is made in the far eastern countries for the US, that is designed by US engineers.

Tom Sawyer,
Like Jeff said it really comes down to $$$.
$50 US dollars don't sound to bad, but if it's gonna cost another $100 to ship.........
If you can get an idea on shipping without too much trouble, that would help.

Heck, man. $150 would be cheap for such an interesting conversation piece though, wouldn't it?

I agree on the condescending attitude towards Russians. If their stuff was such junk, why was the US so worried about them 20 years ago. Most people condemn things of which they have little to no knowledge of--kind of sad really. If everyone concentrated on successes instead of failures and only took pride in what they can sensibly take pride in, we would be evolving much more quickly. $:-\$

Jason_WI · « **Reply #43 on:** February 20, 2005, 11:42:02 pm »

I have watched too much of the history channel lately. The first russian jets kicked our butts. Launched the first satellite. Their early sub designs after WWII were superior to ours. Their Soyez rocket is still supplying the ISS while our shuttle fleet is grounded due to foam insulation falling off and cracking tiles.

Jason

Bernhard · « **Reply #44 on:** February 21, 2005, 04:25:14 pm »

this saw is a russian "Drushba", the same one I own, mine has no bar and no chain. I bought it for around 15 $ in Poland. For felling trees the bar has to be turned for 90°. It has been built until 1990....maybe longer.
The (reversible) Starter will only be attached to the engine for starting it, if the machine runs it will be removed. The reason, why they are building this kinds of saws (which are a bit similar to the Stihl BLK, I own one of them also) that they only have float carbs....not membran ones like the modern saws have...infact also Stihl uses Walbro carbs.
Sorry gentlemen...but You can´t compare rockets or Tanks with the normal stuff people in former russia have to use. The communist government sucked up the people and the states around, likeGDR or Poland, to get food for the USSR people. This saw is only for give the people a tool...nobody ever cares about,if it is safe.....it has to work...and if You don´t have the money to buy a Husky or a stihl.....what would You do?

rebocardo · « **Reply #45 on:** February 21, 2005, 07:01:25 pm »

> You don´t have the money to buy a usky or a stihl.....what would You do?

Buy or build whatever tool it took to fed the family and myself

Sort of like computers. Most people on welfare (public assistance) in the US can take home $600-800 a month AFTER the section 8 (free) housing. So, paying Microsoft $100 for the latest operating system or XBOT upgrade is not as painful as someone in another country who only earns $100 total in two months doing it at a job 12 hours a day six to seven days a week.

I always laugh at the software industry figures on piracy losses attributed to lost sales in other countries. Like 1/2 the population in China using a pirated copy of Windows or Adobe PageMaker could actually save $200-$400 for that one piece of software when that is their whole life's savings, if that, when their disposable income is $5-$10 a month, if that.

imo, The best thing to happen to the Russian people was the internet and Japanese fax machines under $50.00.

I think some of the scariest machines built where the early American cars with leather bands for brakes and manual engine cranks. I always found the one with an anchor to toss out amusing

Swede · « **Reply #46 on:** February 22, 2005, 06:27:38 am »

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I think some of the scariest machines built where the early American........................

I think some of the scariest machines built where the early American manual saw mills as Amerika-Sågen and similar!

Just two levels, for feeding and for up/down of the saw. Remember when a poor Swede ( no NOK.209 000 for a TK 1600 and another SEK.200 000 for a 4-WD Jeep) had to walk along the 19' frame all day and the customer had to load logs with his tractor and the heavy logs had to be turned and clamped by hand. My arms were long these evenings and body was hurting.

Hope I can start "her" up today and all the new electric stuff works. Just need to find out how to make a more exact circuit breaker for the settings.
That´s the reason I´m not here much now.

But I know Russian people are very good in handicrafts! The Russian National Team in small racingcars (called go-cart here) was driving in the neighborhood. The generator for their old bus (very much leaning to the right)

didn´t work so they needed to be in my work shop for some hours. One man was working, one was telling how to do. A man, I guess 85 Y.O. was rolling cigarettes all the time for him self and the other two men. (Also one for me,

don´t ask what was in it.)
After one hour the whole floor 50x28' was full of thin copper wire. At that moment I thuoght they had to stay here for ever.
After 4 hours the generator was put together again and working! All done with just simple tools.

Swede.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #47 on:** February 22, 2005, 09:13:08 am »

OneWithWood · « **Reply #48 on:** February 22, 2005, 09:19:11 am »

Never underestimate the viability of a 'make-do' culture. As for American equipment, it would seem the chainsaws everyone recognizes as the top of the line are made in Germany and Sweden

redpowerd · « **Reply #49 on:** February 22, 2005, 09:43:04 am »

yep, and as the crow flies, how far away are them countries from russia?

Lobo · « **Reply #50 on:** February 22, 2005, 10:50:25 am »

I'm not to sure we should laugh as they may have something there.

The only difference between them and us is that we could drum money by various ways to pursue our ideas and inventions for many many years they could not however those times are changing for them now.

Swede · « **Reply #51 on:** February 22, 2005, 01:04:19 pm »

http://www.pilorama.spb.ru/eng/opisanie.html#

http://www.pilorama.spb.ru/eng/firma.html

"Squaring sawmill "Izbushka" (Log cabin) is a mobile sawmill for length cutting and milling of square-sawn (profiled) timber."
I´m not shure but think this is Made in Sweden. Trade name here is "Bamsesågen" and works like a Logosol but is of much higher quality. The saw is riding on a square pipe of stainless steel. No #^'/{>:[ aluminium!

http://www.pilorama.spb.ru/eng/izbushka.html

Swede.

Tom Sawyer · « **Reply #52 on:** February 23, 2005, 06:07:02 am »

Jeff, I will try to check into shipping for you, but it will take a while. If you don't hear from me about it in a month or 2 IM me to remind me.

Jeff · « **Reply #53 on:** February 23, 2005, 08:10:37 am »

will do.

Ironwood · « **Reply #54 on:** February 24, 2005, 08:22:17 pm »

Well ,I guess I came acrossed a little strong. I am all for make do, and have enjoyed travelling and seeing third world, and other cultures. I just think the safety issue would makeme think twice about the function of the saw. The ergonomics of the thing is just funky, I build design/ fabricate all the time and my back hurts just seeing the thing, cool yes, unique,yes. It just looks scary to me. Sorryif I offended.

REID

Tom Sawyer · « **Reply #55 on:** March 25, 2005, 05:36:47 am »

Okay guys, here's the deal. I am having trouble finding a shipping company that will ship a chainsaw for me. They all say that because of the gas engine it is considered dangerous goods. I haven't tried Fed Ex yet, but I am going to try to do that. The problem is that Kyrgyzstan is in the middle of a revolution that overthrew the government yesterday. I am not sure when I can get to the capital city again, and there are no shipping companies in the city where I live. I will keep trying and let you know.

Lobo · « **Reply #56 on:** March 25, 2005, 07:26:30 am »

Quote from: Hoop on February 20, 2005, 07:34:17 am

Typical Russian junk. Technology out of the 1930's. Think you'd put out more wood in a day with a swede saw......and be far less frustrated.

It still amazes me that the Russians were able to build ANYTHING capable of space travel, so shoddy is their engineering.

Yep ! I guess the Russians and their engineering were responsible for the Edsel, Vega, Corvair, Pinto, etc., U.S space crafts blowing up twice (God rest their souls) the big 3 loosing 52% of their car manufacturing and sales to overseas companies who are renowned for better quality cars with no shoddy engineering and parts in them. These are just a few examples, it could go on and on and on.

HUM ! I guess your right Hoop !

Swede · « **Reply #57 on:** March 25, 2005, 07:59:00 am »

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Yep ! I guess the Russians and their engineering were responsible for the Edsel, Vega, Corvair, Pinto, etc.,

Wasn´t Corvair the car that looked like a full grown Carmann Ghia?

If that´s right, don´t blame the Russians! Carmann Ghia was a Volkswagen.

Swede.

Lobo · « **Reply #58 on:** March 25, 2005, 08:27:14 am »

Hi Swede

The chevy Corvair was manufactured in the 60's, it look like a cross between the Fiat, Renault Gordini and Lada of the time.

It was Chevrolet's attempt to have a fun sporty inexpensive car with rear engine and luggage trunk in front, (needless to say they failed on all counts). Something like mixing the VW bug and a Porsche Roadster, but bigger, boxier and lower to seat 4 people comfortably and the dog in the middle.

However they did not sell 22 million cars like the old bug did.
Quality and safety wise it was rated below the Yugo.
It ended being very dangerous in some conditions and killed many people.

jjmk98k · « **Reply #59 on:** March 25, 2005, 08:34:10 am »

But the 'vair is one nice looking car all around, especially the later year models....

asy · « **Reply #60 on:** March 25, 2005, 08:41:02 am »

Gotta love that Russian ingenuity!

I recall getting onto a (VERY SCARY) Aeroflot plane back in '87...

The "parcel shelves" were just that... WOODEN shelves rivetted to the side of the plane. I kid you not.

There was a lady some seats ahead of me with a small child, and he had a truck with him, so she put the truck on the shelf. Of course, at take-off, the truck rolled along the shelf, and became airborne and flew through the plane, very narrowly missing my shoulder (and head!). The Hostess just picked it up and put it back on the shelf, wheel side up!!!

That Chain saw reminded me of that flight... Looks like it was put together in someone's back shed.

Oh, and, I have enough Russian blood, and relatives, to afford to make these comments.. hehehe

Also, I think you guys may possibly underestimate the Russian Sense of humour. It's generally fantastic!

asy

Lobo · « **Reply #61 on:** March 25, 2005, 10:33:39 am »

Quote from: jjmk98k on March 25, 2005, 08:34:10 am

But the 'vair is one nice looking car all around, especially the later year models....

That is also very true.

Swede · « **Reply #62 on:** March 28, 2005, 07:49:17 am »

Lobo; In the -60 we didnt know about Lada in Sweden but Moscowich.

Think I like Karmann Ghia Mod. 34. more than Mod. 14.
http://www.karmannghiaclub.nl/

I learned today there also was Corvair Vans and Trucks. Don´t know if they where sold with that name in US.
http://hem.passagen.se/corvair/
Corvair 1961/62 FC info

More links:
http://www.prinz4.de/
http://www.wankel-spider.de/
http://www.monito.com/wankel/nsu.html
http://www.monito.com/wankel/chainsaw.html

Swede.

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