Author Topic: NEW FIRE TRUCK (Read 2729 times)

wiam · « **on:** January 15, 2005, 07:43:43 pm »

Yesterday we got a new fire truck in Barnet. We played with the pump today. Check it out.

and we moved into a new station last night.

Will

Tom · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2005, 07:45:08 pm »

Good looking apparatus. I remember when fire trucks were red.

wiam · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2005, 07:51:00 pm »

I expected that from someone.

I do not remember red trucks in Barnet, but I am only 37.

Will

Tom · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2005, 07:57:21 pm »

Well, that's probably the reason. I remember black and white police cars with red lights too. Now I suffer from dementia and imagine blue lights and green fire trucks. This getting old is the pits.

Show us some of your firemen, Will.

wiam · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2005, 07:59:56 pm »

Tom, back then I thought there was only black and white.

More pics to follow. Forgot the camera when playing this afternoon.

If interested 330hp, 1250gpm but it is 34' long

Will

Tom · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2005, 08:08:32 pm »

Gum Drop and Bubble Gum meant something else too. That was the single red light on top of the car.

You might be right. I don't think color was invented until the 1960's.

CHARLIE · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2005, 08:21:43 pm »

Most of the fire trucks I've seen in Minnesota and this part of Wisconsin are red, but I've seen some Lime Green ones.
Who made that fire truck and is it a new one? Those things are spendy too. About what did that one set y'all back? Does it have a bell? Does it have a place for the dalmation to sit?

DanG · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2005, 08:27:24 pm »

MAN HOWDY! That's a fine looking piece of equipment. I'm sure the whole department is excited about it.

It's gonna look real good in the upcoming homecoming parade, not to speak of being real handy around yer basic fire emergencies and such.

Tom, if you'll notice, even bubble gum machines don't look like bubble gum machines any more. :-/

CHARLIE · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2005, 08:39:35 pm »

DanG! I think they call them Light Bars now. Back in the '60s though a Light Bar was a whole different thing.

DanG · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2005, 09:11:54 pm »

Light bars. Yeah, that's what they call'em. Lazer show is what they orter be called. I was coming home from Quincy, yesterday, and there was this unbelievable display of flashing lights ahead of me. I was going the usual retiree speed of perty near 35mph, but this thing was pulling away from me, big time!

I sorta lost sight of him on that curve there in front of ol' Jim Clark's place, but after I got around it, I could still see him. I sped up to mite-near 40! When I got to Douglas City, you know, where 12 goes to the left and 90 goes right on ahead, there he was! Pulled up into the parking lot at the Swifty Save, bellied up ta tha dumpster, justa gobbling that garbage down. Musta had enough strobes on that thing to keep a major airport going on a foggy night!

I can remember when a flashing light meant to either pull over and get a ticket, or pull over and get outta tha way! Nowadays, ya just don't know what ta think of'em.

Haytrader · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2005, 03:52:46 am »

From the looks of the grill, the chassis is a Sterling.

Green fire trucks and that sherriff in Ariz. (Joe Arroyho?) is making the bad boys wear pink handcuffs. What next?

woodhick · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2005, 04:21:25 am »

Looks like an international to me. If anyone is looking for a new pickup to pull your portable mill around check out navistar.com. Look up the new CXT series of trucks. Puts a big hummer to shame in my opinion but I've always been partial to the cornbinders.

Minnesota_boy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2005, 04:55:18 am »

That's a nice looking fire truck. Looks like it has a bunch of storage space with doors too. Which one has the sawmill inside?

Faron · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2005, 05:17:53 am »

I served 15 years as a volunteer firefighter, eight of those as chief. Lots of good memories from those years, and a few bad ones. I think that E- One body is made in Ocala (sp?) FL. We had real good luck with those. You have a good looking new building as well. What kind of building and truck did those replace?

wiam · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2005, 06:01:15 am »

Charlie
Emergency One(E-1) built the body on a 2005 International 7400. BRAND NEW

. $228,000. No bell but loud siren and real airhorns, not just the electronic symulator

. No place for the dalmation

Faron
This replaces a 1974 loadstar 1700 with 1000gpm Darly and 700 gal tank. We will keep the old one as a second line pumper.
Old station was two bays with 2 full size trucks and a M-38 Willys(brush truck). We could not walk all the way around the trucks. New station is just under 6000 feet

Have not got lost in there yet. Truck bay is three trucks wide and
deep enough to put new pumper in front of old one. To say we are excited is an understatement. Now we need to train with the new truck so we can use it

Will

sawguy21 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2005, 06:21:19 am »

A 74 Loadstar and an M-38!!! Holy Crap, no wonder you are excited. That is one good looking unit. Do you buy chrome polish in 5 gallon pails?

Faron · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2005, 06:21:38 am »

Yep, I understand the excitement! In 1989 we built a new firehouse. We went from a 30 x 40 building to a building which would house 4 rows of equipment 2 deep. When I left the department we had 2 pumpers, 2 tankers, a rescue truck, (beverage truck with rollup sides) ,brush truck with a rescue boat, and ambulance in there. We still had room to get around the equipment. I still miss it -sometimes.

wiam · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2005, 07:27:34 am »

Our newest piece was a 1989 GMC top kick with 1250 water and a 1000gpm front mount pump.This is used as a tanker. We also got a new air trailer last fall made by Bauer sp. It has a small Lister diesel with a 5000psi compressor, four bottle automatic cascade and three bottle contained fill station. This was through a homeland security grant. There was also an 80% matching grant for the truck.

Will

Frank_Pender · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2005, 07:50:52 am »

That is a very nice set of wheel you folks acquired sand a six packer too, great.

BW_Williams · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2005, 10:56:14 am »

Contrats Will, nice looking engine. It wouldn't fit in our station. Glad to see depts that need it getting the grant $. We've been putting in for it but no luck yet. Hope you have CAFS, it is amazing how little water you can use and still kick butt with, we extiguished a 35' fully involved motor home with less than 200 gallons of water. Have Fun, stay safe, BWW

Engineer · « **Reply #20 on:** January 16, 2005, 02:33:00 pm »

Nice lookin' rig, Will.

You gonna bring that monster to the State Convention this year? If it ain't in Newport again, we'll be there. My department is about 5 years away from getting a new rig - we swap 'em out every 20 years without fail, and our oldest one is a 1988 American Eagle 1000/1000 pumper that's won Best Appearing at States about four times. Almost too nice to get rid of it.

Hope that thing has CAFS on it. We won't get a new truck without it. Our newest front-line rig is a 2001 International/BME 4x4 with a 750 gallon tank, 50 gallons of foam and a 1000 gpm CAFS system. Everybody else is just support for it. Fully involved car fire is out in about 20 seconds, literally.

bull · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2005, 04:39:17 pm »

There goes your tax bill......... I remember when there were more cows than people in Barnet VT.... How can you afford that cadilliac..... Nice place and great people. Haven't been there since 1980. stayed at a small church in West Barnet on a church fellowship retreat. Bought raw milk at a Farm Just up the road,because they group only brought that 1 % junk. They had a nice heard of Jersey's....

bull · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2005, 04:43:13 pm »

Our Fire Dept Just ordered a new Quint W/ a 100' Stick and every other gadget you can think of $600,000.00 should be delivered in the fall. We also have a new 3,000,000.00 Station under construction. Should be finished in July...

wiam · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2005, 05:21:31 pm »

Frank, actually it is only a 5 packer with packs in all but the drivers.

BW, it would not fit in our old one either. No CAFS, just NAFS on two handlines.

Engineer, I think convention is in Rutland this year.I don't know if a new truck will get us there or not. Two years ago I tried to get a muster team together and a bunch said yes, but too many said too much time after practicing for 2 months. If you can't tell I'm kind of bitter about it. I know CAFS is great but I had a hard sell.

bull, FEMA is paying $180,000

. That would have Barnet Center and Ray Nelson.

Will

Don_Papenburg · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2005, 06:09:07 pm »

What is CAFS ? NAFS? I know what foam is

BW_Williams · « **Reply #25 on:** January 16, 2005, 06:22:05 pm »

CAFS = compressed air foam system
NAFS = normally aspairatted foam system
Will, we have one of the best(in my non-biased opinion) NAFS nozzle manufactures right here on the old FF. Sent Kirk Allen a PM and see if'n he would loan ya'll one of his first strikes for a demo. BWW
PS maybe we ought to ask Jeff for a Fire catagory!

Don_Papenburg · « **Reply #26 on:** January 16, 2005, 07:09:18 pm »

So how does CAFS work ? I am guessing that the normal asp foam gets the foam agent sucked into the water stream via a ventura in the water stream.

BW_Williams · « **Reply #27 on:** January 16, 2005, 09:30:02 pm »

CAFS has an air compressor to add air at the pump, your correct about NAFS, there are several different ways to do it, one is an eductor at the pump that uses a venturi to siphon the foam in, another is an eductor the goes on the end of the hoseline. As with anything related to firefighting, CAFS is very expensive, I believe our slip in unit was around $70K.

Kirk_Allen · « **Reply #28 on:** January 17, 2005, 08:39:33 am »

Wiam, Congrats on the new Rig.

Give the folks down in Norwich a call and ask them about their nozzles. They have been using Vindicators for several years now and can fill you in with an non-biased opinion

By the way, our nozzles are the ONLY nozzle currently recieving Dual ISO credit, as a playpipe and a foam nozzle

You can download the documents from our web site. http://www.1ststriketech.com/Testimony.htm

OK, no more sales pitch

wiam · « **Reply #29 on:** January 17, 2005, 06:26:25 pm »

On our new truck we have a Foampro 1600. This is connected to two handlines. This system uses a high pressure electric pump to put class A foam on the pressure side of the fire pump. We got quotes of $12k to $30K to have CAFS built into a truck.

Kirk, is there some way to try these nozzles in house??

Will

theonlybull · « **Reply #30 on:** January 17, 2005, 07:08:39 pm »

nice looking truck ( other then the color

)
our "new truck" is now 6 years old.... and it's been the biggest lemon around..... i don't have time to type all the problems, but i can tell ya, we'll never have another frieghtliner/cummin's combo again......

those IH's make nice lookin fire trucks. the next department down from us as one, nice working/lookin truck.

enjoy the truck and the new hall.... some of us can only dream

FiremanEd · « **Reply #31 on:** January 17, 2005, 07:36:39 pm »

Nice ride Wiam.

You'll like the E-One, they build nice engines. I think you'll like the chassis, we have 5 tankers on older International chassis and never had a minutes trouble with any of them that I know of. Congrats and enjoy!!!

On Kirk's vindicators, WOW. Kirk came down and met with some of our guys, gave a couple demo's and we bought something in the area of 20 of them. Anyway, as a company officer it's the 1st nozzle off my engine on anything more than debris. (And I was/am a big TFT fan) Great nozzle Kirk.

Congrats again Wiam.

Kevin_H. · « **Reply #32 on:** January 17, 2005, 08:05:21 pm »

This is our newest, a 2004 peterbuilt with a 2650gal tank and a 1000 gpm midship pump.

Captain · « **Reply #33 on:** January 18, 2005, 03:35:59 am »

We've got one coming....$435,000 of E-One Typhoon Class Rescue Pumper. Going to be behind delivery due to the hurricane season in Florida .

Hey Jon/Wiam, has American Rural Fire Equipment in Williamstown VT changed their name? VTec or something??

Captain

wiam · « **Reply #34 on:** January 18, 2005, 06:13:38 pm »

Captain yes they are now VTEC. They do a lot of poly bodies on their trucks. Have heard of financial problems when building trucks. Same on hurricanes with ours. We were sopposed to have it the end of November.

Kevin_H. nice looking truck other than the color

I like the looks of the Vindicator. We have mostly TFTs but we have not purchased nozzles for the new truck yet and hope to try some others before buying.

Captain · « **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:08:14 am »

When I was in Barre Town, we bought the first piece that American Rural Fire Equipment made in 1993, a Freightliner FL80 with a 1500GPM Darley and Hale FoamPro. It had a 750 gallon tank. What a difference from our front line 1974 International Loadstar at the time.

Captain

Tom Vorac · « **Reply #36 on:** February 12, 2010, 02:07:40 pm »

Howdy,
Can go a little off topic and ask a question for the group? Does anyone have any experience with slip on fire units for pickup trucks? I am looking for plans to do a home made unit and would appreciate any help or advise.
Thanks
Tom V

timberfaller390 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 12, 2010, 05:50:31 pm »

That is SWEET.

Ron Scott · « **Reply #38 on:** February 12, 2010, 06:10:53 pm »

Tom Vorac,

Are you near a US Forest Service Ranger Station on State DNR Fire Station? They are well familiar with and use pick up slip on pumper units.

Captain · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2010, 06:30:37 pm »

Tom, are you referring to a "skid load" with a tank and pump, often a hose reel, for wildland firefighting? If that is the case, then YES.

Captain

timberfaller390 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 13, 2010, 09:07:10 am »

Quote from: Tom Vorac on February 12, 2010, 02:07:40 pm

Howdy,
Can go a little off topic and ask a question for the group? Does anyone have any experience with slip on fire units for pickup trucks? I am looking for plans to do a home made unit and would appreciate any help or advise.
Thanks
Tom V

Yes I have put in my fair share of time on a type 6 engine. I built a couple while I was still working for the forestry commission so whatcha want to know.

Tom Vorac · « **Reply #41 on:** February 13, 2010, 06:26:43 pm »

What I am looking for is advise or where to find plans etc on how to build a slip on unit for a pickup truck. I want to build a 250 gal tank with pump or get enough information to figure out if we would be better off buying a off the shelf unit.
So any advise would be welcome.
Thanks
Tom V

timberfaller390 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 13, 2010, 09:51:08 pm »

It's not hard to design and build a skid unit however if you don't have acess to a mig or preferably a tig weldor and someone who is good with aluminum then you are better off getting one from Darley or National Fire. The unit we built for a pickup was about the simplest rig you could think of. It was just a square tank with a platform to mount the pump and hose reel. What size truck is this going on? 250 gallons of water weighs approx one ton not counting the skid unit itself so it won't work on a half ton truck. (we replaced the front end on our f-150 twice because of hauling a skid unit all the time)

isawlogs · « **Reply #43 on:** February 15, 2010, 09:17:23 pm »

Just thinking outload here .. Could a person use a fuel oil/desiel tank and use a gas pump and build one from that

pineywoods · « **Reply #44 on:** February 15, 2010, 09:43:47 pm »

Quote from: isawlogs on February 15, 2010, 09:17:23 pm

Just thinking outload here .. Could a person use a fuel oil/desiel tank and use a gas pump and build one from that

Rust, rust and more rust, pinholes...

Don_Papenburg · « **Reply #45 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:39:13 pm »

I think you are asking if a gas POWERED pump would work . I would say yes . But If you mean a gaspump , No It would not have enough volume.

A poly tank would be the most costeffective.

A couple of Qs
What is the air pressure used on the CAFS setup ?
How many cfm?

What do you use as a foaming agent?

timberfaller390 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 16, 2010, 08:46:48 am »

The minimum requirements for a type 6 engine are 200 gallon tank, 50 gpm pump,300 feet of 1 1/2" hose and 300 feet of 1" hose. A foam system is not required. The foaming agent is called AFFF or aquious film forming foam and can be poured directly into the tank. It is slightly corrosive so the tank and hoses have to be flushed after use. The guy who originally asked about a skid unit hasn't posted anymore so I don't know if this will be for a department or for personal use. If it is for a department the minimum requirements I listed MUST be met. The most common material for the tank is aluminum but thier are some poly tanks out there. A factory built skid unit ranges from $5,000 to about $20,000 or more, depending on how fancy you want to get.

isawlogs · « **Reply #47 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:58:10 pm »

Gas powered pump .. a 1000liter square plastic tank a wack of hose .. fittings to put it all together .

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